From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 20 11:32:47 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECBE926F for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eu1sys200aog104.obsmtp.com (eu1sys200aog104.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 471F11A1C for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:32:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f54.google.com ([74.125.82.54]) (using TLSv1) by eu1sys200aob104.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP ID DSNKUrQqwe3yUwSu0NnrpgRGzWfqj8OmdUYZ@postini.com; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:32:46 UTC Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id n12so2290596wgh.33 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:32:17 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:date:from:message-id:to:subject:reply-to :in-reply-to; bh=Yj3Z594zEPdZIgDmRe0aq/8Lr5lFaEbZ8HP7is28CEI=; b=aKQwv5YpoJ4muASVm734k5HEdqxf649MuAF9J7vai4J1+l9jGAQMrxfbH+swST9yk0 R9rohSh9DqbVQ4ub8PW4kSD89b2east+/fSc5cdvXXzpvX/Sgln3dTJc3EVs3apA5z7v gqpHDoqKiGefHxIz/knSfOQ+WAUCLWveyXW1mpQOX5bifK3RhXegyeQmFUDMnaewMbgh G5vAvXZQ0x071uAZsBUoAlJggLD3+fHm7JDC0kr4PbGg5/Kv7pdt+AbC/OhQKd13qYZz E1ZQWApgPxiUV2ib8pfzsylevKLGfLpSn2WEP4gfol7x8iuyhMKB/Ir4wzQN9sYfIYgE kAsw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm0w/cV33pV5+vRuKds55Kzl/qYpNiuOzf3NoEMahNFWgYvaWdqDfj0elNGIcnYt9ujbmF/xHl/l5cqO7rIPAfYYp7OxVT70dxQ1oYnf1OmhtenKqZyxZt5GioVSC+w7oCOnp/nPjfCuZU9n7w2XFbPgkCayVtKZH/VVh5BXu3sAQGKuCQ= X-Received: by 10.180.149.175 with SMTP id ub15mr7443567wib.44.1387539137820; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:32:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.149.175 with SMTP id ub15mr7443562wib.44.1387539137734; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk. [137.222.187.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hb7sm14155415wib.6.2013.12.20.03.32.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:32:16 -0800 (PST) Sender: Anton Shterenlikht Received: from mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6) with ESMTP id rBKBWE7J089241 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:32:14 GMT (envelope-from mexas@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk) Received: (from mexas@localhost) by mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk (8.14.7/8.14.6/Submit) id rBKBWEQT089240; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:32:14 GMT (envelope-from mexas) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 03:32:16 -0800 (PST) From: Anton Shterenlikht Message-Id: <201312201132.rBKBWEQT089240@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> To: code@apotheon.net, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <20131219181343.GB47750@glaze.hydra> X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: mexas@bris.ac.uk List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 11:32:47 -0000 >Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:13:43 -0700 >From: Chad Perrin >To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm > unsubscribing > >On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: >> > >> >From: "Thomas Mueller" >> > >> >There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or >> >what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly. >> >> I disagree. >> I use only send-pr to send PRs. >> I use sendmail. > >I disagree with you. For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability >train wreck, and insufficiently well documented. Let's agree to disagree. A slightly different point: I was a new user not so long ago. The major issue for me was whether to send a report at all. Most times I'd be thinking that I fucked up myself (and in many cases I did). In that case my first action would be to ask in questions@, usually after several days of trying to figure out what I have done wrong. Only after being advised in questions@ that it might be a real issue and that I should submit a PR for it, would I do it. In other words, as a new user I thought of sending a PR as a last resort, because I doubted myself a lot more than the stability of FreeBSD and the expertise of the team. The actual tools to submit a PR were never an obstacle. Anton