From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 27 12:40:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C86B1065690 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:40:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnemmi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78828FC2C for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxe2 with SMTP id 2so59910yxe.3 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:40:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=D58AAIPqZMI3rlHh2/qziisg1KN2UJNtH2YmLcPxzTs=; b=OQNe4d/HYcJH2v5G6a/FBukS8KzabfUeivaDHyuTXkq+cDAbbHEytWTkOPDHRFyn2z dgwVfK3EfGZE6yx/+4mXely9WvdXqZ/xU9YFexESHmH1lM72fc3EUSbz6x9AfVk/WPYo cD5OL7vsnRc/lVnLo/0+DqFZO755Cwdc0UAUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=K45pdM3q9I6o8JaslEXOp635uw0fUIHSNWpHAr46v0FL4HvlkHC7v0N9dw6U4YBCYX KIQPljSae5BluyatdSEqBRFUoOExUO9144NVwFfCtUjSzakbGFzmXC6fPLWiXTzvDXMI xWT64xfMBVmMhvxZPoaVSzgILgc3VMDLmswFk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.56.13 with SMTP id i13mr9468998ank.194.1251376423527; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:33:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3116B23F-D534-46F5-A808-EF9D7232B8C5@airwired.net> References: <3116B23F-D534-46F5-A808-EF9D7232B8C5@airwired.net> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:33:43 -0300 Message-ID: <19e9a5dc0908270533r1c000f5dp16201eb8a81079dd@mail.gmail.com> From: Gonzalo Nemmi To: Dan Allen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 8.0-BETA 3 has problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:40:44 -0000 On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Dan Allen wrote: > I just downloaded the 8.0 Beta 3 CD, the regular Intel version. I tried = to > install it on my Mac using the Q/Qemu emulator. All previous versions of > FreeBSD since 6.0 and later have worked just fine on this emulator. Free= BSD > 7.2 installs and works fine on it, for example. > > FreeBSD 8.0 Beta 3 dies in the install. The resulting installation does > not boot and cannot find a kernel. I do not know anything more than what= I > have said, and yes, I know that this is not very helpful. I did a standa= rd > install, answered the questions, said "yes I really want to do all of > this", the install began, and the next thing I know everything was toaste= d - > the emulator had shut down the process. When I try and boot it up from t= he > resulting hard disk image, it cannot find a kernel. > > Is this really Beta software? It feels incredibly fragile compared to > previous releases of BSD. I found major problems with 8.0 Beta 2 on a De= ll > laptop a few weeks ago as well. > > I think 8.0 should be held up and not shipped like this. It will give > FreeBSD a bad image. Just one guy's opinion... (who has shipped a lot of > software at Apple and at Microsoft in years past...) > > Dan Allen > Independent SW Developer +10 I=B4ve been having the same "it=B4s fragile" feeling (you just hit the nail= in the head with those words) since 7.2 and the stack overflow you can get by simply copying /boot/defaults/loader.conf to /boot/loader.conf , which didn=B4t happen before. Problems with bge (does not resume from suspend in 7.2-REL, 8.0-BETA, 8.0-BETA2, 8.0-BETA3, PR 136876) and lack of wifi support for my harware (BCM4315 - chip=3D0x431514e4), problems with fwohci (PR 136946), with shutd= own (PR: 136008), with ext2fs ( http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-August/204407.htm= l), no display after resume using the vesa driver or getting a crash by simply kldloading atapicam (at least from BETA2 in: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2009-July/009775.html an= d BETA3: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2009-August/010937.html)= , and opinions as "I say good riddence, if someone wants thier hardware not t= o melt then each machine should be personally responsible and enroll in a private monitoring service we don't need project sponsored health monitoring." don=B4t do any help ... And that=B4s just to name some of the simple issues .. those more related to desktop usage I guess. Now , with all due respect, I=B4ve bought 7.x all the way and have been following 8.x development since before -BETA got released (snapshots isos) but I don=B4t see me buying a copy of it anytime soon :s Just my view. Best Regards Gonzalo