From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu May 28 20:47:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F34362FD737 for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 20:47:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic307-54.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic307-54.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [87.248.110.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49Y0B05PdFz48RH for ; Thu, 28 May 2020 20:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: BBYchT0VM1lCdqWkAQlpxi0Z6WasFkp92ENJdDzXIFL_LFUj.RDLtHxlUJMF8Cm dqJG5WXNSRPBeFvQJU9g3AR7nnjOthnQjdpk2X7FSy1B2Z4wQqIhU7TONZA1LpX2pdac1jG3k1jT K4LDhwEJKPOfWbLddyk6imLJgq1nX3mPqtEU3Y33.ekfajBR.LfPEbYXKVXJJgyS3krpetLSq04F bbwPRagy2wKFMwnKIPxb0EfChUeDfkgk_T85cJMneJvUNCXVCi45OQE.3xC6m18fDS51iVE221F9 S2_MnyhkE2FlA9ZtjLVEiDXzSDLMl9qLi6_tiJgARWR_jChgZ2caxiOz8wVC.fRdIyeI8wWolAHQ 3Wy01WtO1xzz.cY.vxnHg2lq4df3z5QOBkWT_gpV014RAN83w__VzkAaD3pdoT8dVgBoiVsaL19f R4Tq4NrAn0zhKIGo6rlqHiBKoOj9GEfhOiaBNswTmfDtTOmUqooysL.6NrtgMU5HEaye1jDftBWl xEnnh2g.du4RdZ9VvrthZMKmMMrsR_czTzZHIRlaJRMsGBlMJW3Z1OCGddgkLqchauutmh0xysuU bA49jIMUaEkp49757cOFUTOjLIXl4tfgkoRmuS9v_l78wytHqoT0MZLchOi6WSGMwitYx.4bHtky 3xAlIX54c25vSJC6uhCVSdYPy7b3bMzx.HbTxNFqEdp_WACkCFAVZ9_i8AYXjK.9hXvrUT5cMkDB 8QrGhrtNvwTBJzg5XY6TM_QELo08wG3Qgvbi5N7vcyl8U0HFWRm5HfHmuYxQ.zEeW6vCdB0OGtKq 0k9YaEyR4kNWWZMdkctLk9ZsD6pOWiZPnsetfctR3sHkuF9gK6.x6jXLqF5M1vdCoFf82Z2_P93U EIAXU4qQOsjW2FOV7PfJYcmWli99TBBmcHDfplZU2PXzJ05n5sTzPqKMbjAqqOHyG9Hgh8bQbxV2 .CZGDvyn30tw0pQaT40IIxfLleFoxyjfSkqidtWb8sc0flq0fdeeI5HhVB9mMc.MUoPN7fkJw8Vq wOwKWFqirweSzr.GWeCnl1zBiPHDKZgC3.uXLJ2xEQuJKBYDDwqWw_FwUygdH5avypI3zIALiH7m aFNq0rHAdBbpib1rZVT0A07BjNx74gL3QTOFVV_dybaFq_3SW65mX_PdDBXRPfbuywpAlE1CmuV. TrDIiJKFu9YTlFSh1.geO7A0kz_cJKx6xdol_E.KnWb8VFEUzSb5_QYJn_seaBuX7zWsxXokD5.o FcZZp33Aju8kfOsc0i5rHNVDEfYrXVqsltAGZY5FsGFe75HzjMFn09r_YE.Ngt1_SWaZEquhLnFS o6zGyj.XMTQkLFRLxMtN9AqcIH8AyBDSDNTGN6azTbQAWNbn4OJVNpsVuFEqXVyQib6g2.c.h51V te5JQbVQLfpA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 May 2020 20:47:01 +0000 Received: by smtp411.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 22fff23fcd28e3d2ad04fe2c5d49339c; Thu, 28 May 2020 20:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 22:47:01 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Back to the topic of the original thread: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <20200528224701.7cc6f222@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <20200527203627.2c9faae5@archlinux> <21722039-a01f-37d3-e035-6be2950485e2@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200528022232.662100a3@archlinux> <0e7aa839-eecf-37f7-4498-4ecc73f44689@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200528164705.278f3983.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200528162637.73917881c2c395f80a5384fc@sohara.org> <20200528170047.d55ed6402f71c9b2558c78bc@sohara.org> <20200528193512.7fcf9192@archlinux> <20200528204832.7bf83e2b@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49Y0B05PdFz48RH X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.954]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[87.248.110.31:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.409]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.962]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:87.248.110.0/24, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[87.248.110.31:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 20:47:06 -0000 On Thu, 28 May 2020 14:53:36 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 2:48 PM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxrVgYlUYAAp8eb.jpg > > > > >> >> SICR >> >> -- >> https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html > > >Saying something makes "you look an idiot" *IS NOT THE SAME* as saying >you are idiot... an other language translation problem I think. If >you think the first means the second then no wonder we are not >communicating. My interpretation of the picture is that not being a developer, IOW not being an expert, means to be a clueless women. And "clueless woman" is tautological. It's sexism. It's trivial to _program_ a digital video recorder to automatically record a television programme, but it's not trivial to translate data into _code_. In the end it's not that important for this thread, so back to the topic: Important is that UNIX alike operating systems have got a login shell that is useful for an admin, poweruser and even for the clueless user to customize the machine, to the user's (operator's) needs. So starting with writing scripts is essential, starting with learning how to maintain a port is grotesque. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scripter Using and customizing/optimizing a computer neither requires programmer nor coder skills. Most could be done by using existing software and writing shell scripts. Even a disgusting bad written shell script could do the wanted job. Scripts are portable. A newbie could start with FreeBSD and stay with FreeBSD or migrate to another UNIX alike operating system. Getting used to man(ual) pages is very useful. Learning how to use a terminal emulation is very useful.