From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 24 21:17:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B8A940 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:17:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com (mail-ie0-f171.google.com [209.85.223.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0EA9240E for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:17:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 9so2835348iec.2 for ; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:mime-version:content-type:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=1ypc3mi7HhJawtbcGrUIFOCSjoc/RSRyDVngXTyh7oQ=; b=KsqTmqLtk58giAJtY63+LrK1mAP921D59HFF+KCY/ay0V/eJRcS/rb93FCZpj2bQDx DCnKpRAmz0bfWQ6rug+t0CfmvVij64vi94WdlUykAmmj+97qeME0I41xulRBl5iEDnWN Zc61a8mNQi085C8R//F1hBIicmTQoW4+PDEESCyxt/vFAaCjS8m6JBzEvF6KY+EDjj8u P2iyitpyVkQS2dbBGIpbN9xyXyC0trNGaZybeZWjjcYJWkH4JufGS1yxaejddb4Utyec dSkSDJ4rizNSxvNaucV23EeQgWNTko2s1Z+XGwWfc/FsnW/1g1antO0iElUo/lk13w7t 9/Wg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn7tB5flD81SjPXdR0NoTwLLz0EPUCCEnXnmvtrtwxzKUcFll3mbRMUkaC6/DGLaXVTP3Ly X-Received: by 10.42.147.198 with SMTP id o6mr3506992icv.13.1377379064152; Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 53.imp.bsdimp.com (50-78-194-198-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [50.78.194.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f5sm6823755igc.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 24 Aug 2013 14:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Warner Losh Subject: Re: patch to add AES intrinsics to gcc Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Warner Losh In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 15:17:41 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130822200902.GG94127@funkthat.com> <105E26EE-8471-49D3-AB57-FBE2779CF8D0@FreeBSD.org> <5CE4B5FA-9DA0-45E4-8D67-161E0829FE6B@FreeBSD.org> <5217DBAB.5030607@freebsd.org> <86032E72-A569-4946-B4F8-26F687067B31@bsdimp.com> <1380949A-254A-4222-BEDE-0C23E16E4F67@freebsd.org> <8C31A000-6806-4291-98A4-E8291E637BD2@bsdimp.com> To: "Sam Fourman Jr." X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: Adrian Chadd , "re@FreeBSD.org Engineering Team" , "current@freebsd.org" , John-Mark Gurney , Alfred Perlstein , David Chisnall , toolchain@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:17:45 -0000 On Aug 24, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Sam Fourman Jr. wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Adrian Chadd = wrote: > You know, I could be a total jerk and say: >=20 > "If you push gcc out to a port, and you have the 'external compiler' > toolchain support working correctly enough to build with this, why = don't we > just push clang out to a port, and be done with it?" >=20 > ... just saying. >=20 > +1 >=20 > GREAT idea!!! that is a better plan for 11.x=20 This is a stupid idea. It kills the tightly integrated nature of = FreeBSD. I'd say it is far too radical a departure and opens up a huge = can of "which version of what compiler" nightmare that we've largely = dodged to date because we had one (or maybe two) compilers in the base = system. Warner