From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Nov 4 06:18:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) id GAA21570 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:18:14 -0800 Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA21562 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 06:18:10 -0800 Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.28.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Sat, 4 Nov 95 14:18 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA19341; Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:18:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199511041418.PAA19341@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: More nits To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 15:18:11 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <25708.815494187@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Nov 4, 95 06:09:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1667 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jordan K. Hubbard writes: > > > Why not? It's bloating the kernel. It's a *great* thing to have in > > the generic kernel--I really like the visual editing--but it's just > > ballast in a custom-built kernel which should have tuned all this > > stuff already. > > That's not a bad idea, we simply don't have it instrumented as a > detachable component. That's not to say it couldn't be, but there's > always more work like this than we have time available to do and I'd > probably be more inclined to spend the time fixing bugs, myself! > > > to run around and boot the workstations. They all fell flat on their > > face: they only had 4 MB, and for some reason FreeBSD didn't recognize > > the last 384K. The result was that the systems ran out of swap before > > We don't support 4MB configurations anymore and probably won't until > significant work is done to make FreeBSD more dynamic. Sorry, you > missed that whole flam^H^H^H^Hdiscussion.. We hit the wall and went > over it, and there's no going back without more work than there > remains time for in the 2.1 timeframe. I told people this would > happen back at 2.0.5 but nobody took the warnings seriously enough > until it was already far too late. I'm not really bitching about this. I tend to agree that 4MB is too little memory for anything useful, but I still think it's worth drawing to people's attention that we *don't* want a System V, and that there are virtues in small, lean systems. And I agree that now that the config stuff is a permanent component of the kernel, it probably won't go away. All the more reason to bear the problems in mind before starting the project. Greg