From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 11 22:40:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1116416A4C0 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E393743FD7 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:40:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from midget.dons.net.au (ppp110-250.lns1.adl1.internode.on.net [150.101.110.250])h9C5e3tB012485; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:10:04 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost.dons.net.au [127.0.0.1]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9C5e1fa077791; Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:10:01 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Jason Fesler , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 15:09:54 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <20031011181109.J15184@vette.gigo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031011181109.J15184@vette.gigo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310121509.54739.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -5 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SIGNATURE_SHORT_DENSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.26 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: Re: Firewire on STABLE: Sane for drive-based backups? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 05:40:08 -0000 On Sunday 12 October 2003 10:41, Jason Fesler wrote: > I did not have much luck on digging through the archives. Does anyone have > any sucess stories on using external firewire drives on the stable branch > of freebsd? Does hot swap work? Can I mount, dd or ufsdump or > newfs/rsync, then umount and unplug it cleanly? Yes, yes, yes, and yes. > I'm considering my options for doing once-a-month backups, and tape just > totally blows the budget. I'm currently using a second drive to produce > snapshots, but that doens't leave me with any off-site backups without > taking the system down to swap drives. Firewire enclosures + hard disks are quite cost effective in my experience. I have used a Maxtor "external hard disk" and a "Mapower" one - http://www.mapower.com.tw/ - (both have the same chip in them), if I was going to swap harddisks over a lot I would probably stump up for a "Drive dock" though -> http://www.wiebetech.com/products/firewiredrivedock.html They end up looking like SCSI disks, they perform very well (eg 20-30Mb/sec at fairly low CPU usage). -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5