From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 8 03:18:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8CE16A4CE for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 03:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6D143D66 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 03:18:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 40215146F8; Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:18:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 05:18:36 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: xaphod@freebsd.co.uk Subject: Re: Where is FreeBSD going? (View from the trenches) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:18:41 -0000 > So it's not surprising the standard response from committer is "submit > a patch". This is nothing more than the FreeBSD equivalent of a tetchy > "If you're so clever, do it yourself". I'm sorry that you feel that way. What you see as "do it yourself" I see as "please make a concrete suggestion". There are innumerable "someone ought to do something" suggestions and there are simply not enough committer-hours to pursue them all. In fact, there are not enough committer-hours to pursue all the concrete suggestions and/or patches, either. I'll have to admit that I am as frustrated as you are with this thread. I have gotten some good suggestions in private email which I intend to pursue. What are your own suggestions? > When -core blow cold on advocacy suggestions from users who feel > that's the only way they can contribute. Can you please point to an example of this? > When a knowledgeable someone with no time on their hands tries to > pass on some suggestions to a committer and gets shot down in flames. Can you please point to an example of this? mcl, very frustrated