From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 21 22:40:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF1116A793; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:40:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5DF43D48; Sun, 21 May 2006 22:40:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4LMeaGg009295; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:40:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k4LMeZ2N035027; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:40:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4LMeZuF035026; Mon, 22 May 2006 00:40:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 00:40:35 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" , FreeBSD core team Message-ID: <20060521224035.GA35008@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <32264.1147899148@critter.freebsd.dk> <446B8E36.8050902@elischer.org> <20060518000342.GJ61448@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20060521221556.GA97506@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20060521223518.GA34882@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20060521223749.GA37532@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060521223749.GA37532@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, Poul-Henning Kamp , src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Product management (was: Apologies (was: cvs commit: src Makefile.inc1 ObsoleteFiles.inc src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.usr.dist src/etc/rc.d Makefile isdnd pcvt syscons src/release/picobsd/build picobsd src/share/man/man4 Makefile atkbd.4 kbdmux.4 pcvt.4 splash.4 vkbd.4 ...)) X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 22:40:43 -0000 On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 08:07:49AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. > On Monday, 22 May 2006 at 0:35:18 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 07:45:56AM +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote.. > >> A number of people have contacted me expressing concern about the > >> message I sent recently, and that I was being rude to phk. I formally > >> apologize to phk and anybody else who might feel offended. It wasn't > >> my intention to be offensive, merely to draw attention to problems we > >> have with product management. These problems remain. > > > > I'm not entirely sure what problems exactly, > > The question was who should authorize removing code from the tree. > > > but shouldn't these be addressed by re@, portmaster@, core@ for > > example? > > Yes. That's what I said (core@). Arguably there should be a separate > product management team, but my guess is that that wouldn't work well > in our environment. Actually that has been under discussion in the scope of axing Alpha support. Given that I was a 'player' in that drama I leave it up to a core member to comment further... -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org