From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 25 23: 0:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF6537B401 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4D643EB2 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz ([10.1.0.1]) by bellavista.cz (8.9.3/8.9.8) with ESMTP id HAA27908; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:58:34 +0100 Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 932CA2FDAB2; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:57:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:57:39 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Find abandoned packages Message-ID: <20021126065739.GL77198@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: "Gary W. Swearingen" , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000801c2915e$be8907c0$6400a8c0@windows> <9eel9eaber.l9e@localhost.localdomain> <20021125091339.GR77198@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # swear@attbi.com / 2002-11-25 11:49:17 -0800: > Roman Neuhauser writes: > > > Actually, it's not non-ASCII characters or MSFT products that causes > > problems. It's fucked up mail clients that send messages that > > fallaciously claim to be using charset X when they're really in Y. > > > > Incidentally, these mail clients are MSFT products. > > Please correct me if you really know better (I'm no email expert), but > I'm fairly sure that e-mail is still supposed to be "7-bit clean" so it > can go (without encoding/decoding) through 7-bit lines (maybe with > parity on the 8th line), etc. Or has this been officially changed? AFAIK, this has changed with MIME. RFC 822 restricts email messages to 7 bits (ASCII), but MIME allows different charecter sets, like UTF8. What is still a possibility is that such a message will get mangled on its way by an MTA that assumes all data is ASCII, but I don't remember seeing anything like that happen. BTW, RFC 2045 specifies a way to pass non-ASCII messages through MTA's that assume all-ASCII world: the Content-Transfer-Encoding header. > What you say about MSFT's fallacious charset claims is certainly true of > HTML/HTTP, except that more often they make no claim of charset at all, > expecting the world to conform to their charset by default. > > As for HTML/MIME, I don't know if MIME supports the encoding of > non-7-bit HTML characters into 7-bit code, or if it expects 7-bit-clean > HTML. Looks like you confuse HTML and MIME, which are two distinct things that have moreless nothing in common. For example, this message is a MIME message (as opposed to an RFC 822 message, yet it doesn't contain any HTML). If we restrict this to MIME: I routinely see messages from Outlook and its brethren claiming they're ISO-8859-2, but containing characters from outer space. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message