From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Aug 9 06:02:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA23153 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (mail.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA23148 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 06:02:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0wxB9g-000o9bC; Sat, 9 Aug 97 15:02 MET DST Received: from bert.kts.org(really [194.55.156.2]) by ernie.kts.org via sendmail with smtp id for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:54:43 +0200 (MET DST) (Smail-3.2.0.91 1997-Jan-14 #2 built 1997-Feb-8) Received: by bert.kts.org via sendmail with stdio id for hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:47:52 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #7 built 1997-Jul-4) Message-Id: From: hm@kts.org (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: ISDN drivers/cards In-Reply-To: <19970809055307.20710@grendel.IAEhv.nl> from Peter Korsten at "Aug 9, 97 05:53:07 am" To: peter@grendel.IAEhv.nl (Peter Korsten) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:47:52 +0200 (CEST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Organization: Kitchen Table Systems Reply-To: hm@kts.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31H (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter Korsten wrote: > But as a matter of fact, raw IP over HDLC isn't really used outside > of Germany. This might be possible, although it is more and more true also in germany. It came from the time, when there were no routers with ISDN interfaces available but only DOS-based CAPI-programs which were used in the beginning as IP router replacement. Raw HDLC is/was the default for CAPI 1.1 B-channel protocol and - its perfectly usable for this. But you are right, PPP is the way to go! To write free software, there must be a _personal_ problem to solve - and i don't need PPP, so until now i don't have a real pressure to write a good PPP handling support. Until now, everyone was just crying "we need PPP" but nobody of the ones who were crying did anything to implement it cleanly. But, it seems as the situation will change, as Joerg saw a need to implement kernel sync PPP, it looks like it will be part of the son of bisdn. hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@kts.org Hamburg, Europe There is a difference between an open mind and a hole in the head