From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 18 20:47:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D382816A418 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.153]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43DFD13C468 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:47:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sfourman@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so484556fgg.35 for ; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:47:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=IJHBwUkwiTqVpZ5BjatTyr1XSig8I+c2odopVtTh51o=; b=Jl8hsBgZxUMmdxSYIt068ji3uLJwPA2xGA0540s7sN1JOChR50Qs4cgzluLseYST47u7PuoXqIfTddqUQE9qI2FfsFFCAg8nATDm+rSX/1viMyzXTxBlDVLbtYKdti1REvlQ9lh0DgirN4edJxk1K2uYRsjiHZg/bAV2y4+wQ3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XV6NCgG006J8wI+mVQ2OGXNk/EkIGawf9kJiHXiBHGNy0PVwPOBg1JIOC4eZPdiGb3/lrDoqTk4zhJ3JvghUz2pH8QG6OqoMvemBthfCLzyKzTubaB6BGIH35V3whpo4ArfnATPgUI11XMj3OADlcsCy47IbRfQGQpgDXjzm/r8= Received: by 10.86.66.1 with SMTP id o1mr8073508fga.36.1198009148667; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.91.5 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:19:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <11167f520712181219j5fe8fbbek6bf6429a856d2ec2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:19:08 -0600 From: "Sam Fourman Jr." To: "Chuck Robey" In-Reply-To: <476828A0.2060901@chuckr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <86ve6wmgq4.fsf@ds4.des.no> <4a37b1e529bab094e2c50b7deca7df87@127.0.0.1> <200712182305.06426.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <476828A0.2060901@chuckr.org> Cc: Martin Cracauer , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Kip Macy , des@des.no, mh@kernel32.de Subject: Re: amd64 NVIDIA support in FreeBSD 7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:47:51 -0000 On Dec 18, 2007 2:08 PM, Chuck Robey wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Redirected to -chat, because it got too flamish. > > Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Dec 2007, Marian Hettwer wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:37:07 +0100, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav > > wrote: > >>> "Sam Fourman Jr." writes: > >>>> I wonder if having a petition signed by a bunch of people would > >>>> help this along, because I believe that amd64 3D accel on nvidia, > >>>> is life or death to PC-BSD in a year or so. > >>> What, exactly, do you think a petition would achieve? Can a > >>> petition write code? Can a petition pay somebody to write code? > >>> Petitions may work in a democracy, but neither nVidia nor FreeBSD > >>> is a democracy. > >> While this is true (by the way, what is FreeBSD? > > This is so wrong headed, I couldn't avoid commenting. FreeBSD is in no = way a > democracy. At best it is an oligarchy (if I have my definitions right?), > meaning that it;'s run by a smaller set of folks who actually do the codi= ng, > and those folks are run 80% by what interests them, and only a VERY much > smaller amount by what users want. Even ports is like this, although I w= ill > admit that users there have more input, it's still much below 50%, becaus= e > it's really up to what the porters want to do, NOT what users want. > > That fella doing all those polls, I have this suspicion that he expects h= is > polls to have some effect. The only effect it's going to have, is giving= that > person and only that person, so guidance, no other coder is likely to be > guided by it more than the amounts I ahve listed above. FreeBSD is not n= ow, > and never has been a democracy. > The only reason I suggested a petition is to demonstrate to Nvidia that thee is a viable FreeBSD / PC-BSD userbase for amd64 my thinking was, they already have a i386 driver so an amd64 driver should not be too hard to get them to make. I wonder if nvidia would sponsor a bounty type fund, something like FreeBSD users donate 50% of the cost and nvidia donates 50% plus maintains it long term. in a private e-mail I have already asked the PC-BSD guys if they would consider sponsoring a bounty. Sam Fourman Jr.