From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 21:03:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8971065682 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ersaloz@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C318FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ersaloz@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so49871eyi.7 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance :in-reply-to:x-mimeole; bh=PjLb7L6ia/JUZOHsT0caJ7Cb0HXaYHt8xd7cZMwlHHM=; b=NW+r2atP2vjTtEtHvFAfJCncriVaARLUXgBC9MeespHtsKhwjFAQzIC3o+yEecSjjA UTahMyuMg21YdZkRMgkIRr0fobBXjDlGsIMxUwcF8qW9nLcivYhOr8EZHVsB3C5mgn6G O5TTCvubXqh+UNG0tyChxUwkP+X0/1cYQrYlE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=CSNAF+BWwW1MQZLfF/yXUtABBpFvysXFHf8GAnDVKVno4E2sYH5uBgrsopeHOnKwa1 +mBtKQsQHtiyOQFxMcXILLh8R4H9RE37oLjCQqW+N5EEtuO2QhMSZsLfZlZFw1nmIP1b Bz57TbwrEUg84PTjta/pEaynxvz00dN/8mLT4= Received: by 10.210.10.1 with SMTP id 1mr1034394ebj.116.1220560254189; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asinusaureus ( [81.34.32.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm22080081gvf.6.2008.09.04.13.30.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ernest Sales" To: "'Jim Pingle'" , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:30:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c90ecd$207cbca0$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080904160211.927EF10657BF@hub.freebsd.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Cc: Subject: ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1 Content] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:03:13 -0000 > Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:22:30 -0400 > From: Jim Pingle > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content > To: Wesley Shields > Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wesley Shields wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, > which may be > >> the way to go. > >> > >> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are > net-centric (like > >> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports > >> databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful > >> (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need > the net to be > >> useful. > > > > No thanks. This means you have to have a working > connection to install > > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that > it is still > > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, > bringing us right > > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. > > Could this not also be resolved another way? > > Most desktops these days have DVD drives. If someone wants a bootable > desktop-targeted release with X, Firefox and such, why not > make that a DVD > instead of trying to shoehorn all of this into a CD? Most of the older > machines with aging CD-ROM drives or without a DVD drive may > not have the > horsepower to run a live CD with X anyhow. My servers only have CD-ROM > drives, but then again they wouldn't be using a > desktop-oriented live CD > with X either. :-) > > Sure, the download would be (much?) larger, but you would > have a lot more > room to work with. > > The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years. > Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup > mirror, then use > an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The > packages on CD are > out of date practically from the moment they are placed > there, so I rarely > use them. The only package I regularly used was I use to update ports almost weekly from -latest, but the resulting GUI is not always consistent, so I am considering to stick with the -release tag. Could someone comment on the quality of ports from -release vs. -latest? In other words, can I expect a substantial gain in usability by doing so? Ernest > cvsup-without-gui, which has > been replaced by csup in the base system. > > Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much > like FreeSBIE and > PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare > apples to apples, > you might investigate those choices a little closer. > > Jim