From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 20 03:36:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC20616A4CE for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:36:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FS.Denninger.Net (wsip-68-15-213-52.at.at.cox.net [68.15.213.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DF343D3F for ; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:36:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from karl@FS.Denninger.Net) Received: from fs.denninger.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by FS.Denninger.Net (8.12.10/8.12.8) with SMTP id j0K3a5AS026514 for ; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:36:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from karl@FS.Denninger.Net) Received: from fs.denninger.net [127.0.0.1] by Spamblock-sys; Wed Jan 19 21:36:05 2005 Received: (from karl@localhost) by FS.Denninger.Net (8.12.10/8.12.8/Submit) id j0K3a5IW026512 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:36:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20050119213605.B26294@Denninger.Net> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:36:05 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20050119151301.A22310@Denninger.Net> <8eea040805011913334b140af6@mail.gmail.com> <8eea04080501191506237fc762@mail.gmail.com> <20050119171504.A23623@Denninger.Net> <41EF22F0.7010009@errno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <41EF22F0.7010009@errno.com>; from Sam Leffler on Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:18:08PM -0800 Organization: Karl's Sushi and Packet Smashers X-Die-Spammers: Spammers cheerfully broiled for supper and served with ketchup! Subject: Re: Bad disk or kernel (ATA Driver) problem? - SOLVED X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 03:36:08 -0000 On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 07:18:08PM -0800, Sam Leffler wrote: > I have had spectacularly bad luck with Maxtor SATA drives. I've already > RMA'd 4 of 8 drives and have 2 more waiting to go back. 1 was DOA, the > rest failed completely while in operation (typically locking up the > machine). These were all Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 6Y160M0 160GB Serial > ATA drives. After testing for power, cables, disk controller, > motherboard, and other potential reasons I've decided the drives were > just faulty and have switched to another vendor. > > Sam These two are DiamondMax10s - let's hope that this doesn't apply to that line as well. I'm going to be royally POd if so. One RMA is already issued and that one is going back - hopefully the replacement is good. If not, I will not be amused.... BTW I've had relatively bad luck with recent WD drives - which is why I decided to try the Maxtors. My experience with WDs is that in a server they last about a year before locking up with unrecoverable errors which cannot be cleared except by a power cycle. The lockup extends to the host bus; it appears that the microcode is holding either DREQ or DACK on the cable and as such that entire PATA bus is locked out. I've sent two back in the last six months with the exact same problem - WD has been replacing them, but this failure mode is very ugly as it takes down the machine that they're in at the time, RAID or no RAID. What 'other vendor' have you found that makes RELIABLE SATA disks in the high capacity (e.g. 200-300gb) arena? -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@denninger.net) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net - links to everything I do! http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! http://genesis3.blogspot.com Musings Of A Sentient Mind