From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 10 14:23:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3438137B400 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mizar.origin-it.net (mizar.origin-it.net [194.8.96.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135B243E09 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:23:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@atosorigin.com) Received: from matar.hbg.de.int.atosorigin.com (firewall-user@dehsfw3e.origin-it.net [194.8.96.68]) by mizar.origin-it.net (8.12.5/8.12.5/hmo27jun02) with ESMTP id g6ALNKlg024879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:23:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@atosorigin.com) Received: from galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (galaxy.de.cp.philips.com [130.143.166.29]) by matar.hbg.de.int.atosorigin.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/hmo28jun02) with ESMTP id g6ALNJS7087880; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:23:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Helge.Oldach@atosorigin.com) Received: (from hmo@localhost) by galaxy.de.cp.philips.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/hmo01jul02) id XAA04329; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:23:17 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200207102123.XAA04329@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Subject: Re: sshd vs ports sshd In-Reply-To: from Mike Jakubik at "Jul 10, 2002 11:16:11 am" To: mikej@trigger.net (Mike Jakubik) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:23:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: fred@condo.chico.ca.us, stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Helge Oldach X-Address: Atos Origin GmbH, Billstrasse 80, D-20539 Hamburg, Germany X-Phone: +49 40 7886 464, Fax: +49 40 7886 235, Mobile: +49 160 4782517 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Jakubik: >In no way am I saying that curtail services like syslogd or inetd should be >taken out. But things like openssh, sendmail, certain libs, and basically >most software that is available and up to date via the ports. No, it shouldn't. I want a full-function system with a decent MTA, a decent secure login facility, a decent time synchronization facility, a decent nameserver, and so on. I *don't* want a base system that isn't good for anything but eating CPU. This is not a question of getting the base system "pure" and to adhere minimalization efforts with a slightly religious attitude, but to have a base system that people can do something useful with. (Yes, I have several servers that don't have a single port installed because the base system just provides all I need.) Note that I don't care too much about *which* basic server software is included in the base system, however I admit that I have chosen FreeBSD for the reason that it has all the well-known stuff of sendmail, ssh, xntp and bind on board. Helge To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message