From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 1 12:17:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7930A16A410 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:17:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BC543D45 for ; Mon, 1 May 2006 12:17:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xfb52@dial.pipex.com) Received: from [172.23.170.137] (helo=anti-virus01-08) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaXKu-0001B0-Uz; Mon, 01 May 2006 13:17:08 +0100 Received: from [80.192.58.117] (helo=[192.168.0.2]) by asmtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FaXKu-00006o-CI; Mon, 01 May 2006 13:17:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4455FC43.4060001@dial.pipex.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:17:07 +0100 From: Alex Zbyslaw User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-GB; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060305 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Giorgos Keramidas References: <445581DE.50901@centtech.com> <20060501052755.GA88897@gothmog.pc> <4455D576.2020000@dial.pipex.com> <20060501101544.GA51137@gothmog.pc> In-Reply-To: <20060501101544.GA51137@gothmog.pc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot manager beep (revisited) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:17:13 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >I'd certainly prefer it if the beep was turned *off* by default, >but I'm not sure if that's what everyone prefers. This is why I >opted for keeping the current behavior and making my personal >preference an option :) > > The beep didn't appear until 5.X (and generated quite a few complaints), so the weight of history is behind no beep! The only argument in favour of the beep that I ever so was headless machines. I suspect this could easily turn into a bit of a bikeshed, and a way to turn off beeps without patching boot.S every time would be good regardless of what the default is. But my vote definitely goes for: headless=beep, headed=no beep. IMHO, the beep in 5.X astonished me (in a minor, but particularly irritating, way) and I bet you'd get lots of people saying "thank you for getting rid of that damn beep". The trouble I see with on-by-default is that many people won't realise they can now turn it off. I probably shouldn't suggest that it should be an option in sysinstall ;-) --Alex