From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 02:48:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C458916A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd4mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo1so.shaw.ca [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A44813C46E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd3mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.177]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JS50012M943C920@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:48:03 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.121.152]) by pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-7.05 (built Sep 5 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JS5007D4943SY10@pd3mr1so.prod.shaw.ca> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:48:04 -0700 (MST) Received: from cydem.org ([24.87.3.133]) by l-daemon (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JS500KUC942PH50@l-daemon> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:48:02 -0700 (MST) Received: by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD, from userid 58) id 9BC107F218; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from freen0de (s64-180-126-80.bc.hsia.telus.net [64.180.126.80]) by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD) with ESMTP id 2FFD57E804 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:40 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:47:52 -0800 From: soralx@cydem.org In-reply-to: To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <20071126184752.0a10ef15@freen0de> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.9.1 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on cydem.org References: <474AFC8B.3080608@cs.okstate.edu> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:48:43 -0000 > > I can understand your point that you'd like the reference to be less > > specific ("don't put something in the offensive list because you > > find the source offensive"), but at this point the motivation still > > seems to be "I'm scared of reading 'Hitler'", and because of that I > > am opposed to changing the page. Quite frankly, the man's been dead > > for over fifty years. I think we can safely mention his name with > > reasonable assurance that he won't jump out of a dark alley and > > boogeyman us to death. > > This thread really has nothing to do with being scared of reading > 'Hitler'. The point is that folks could visit FreeBSD's website, > reading "ah, so Hitler is not offensive". Some folks would agree, > some would disagree. Why would you like to polarize in the first > place? Second point is, that Hitler is a politicial historical > person. FreeBSD has nothing to do with politics or history, so come > on and delete that bloody name of the website. It can't be that hard, > eh? All right. "This thread really has nothing to do with being scared of reading 'emacs'. The point is that folks could visit FreeBSD's website, reading "ah, so emacs is not offensive". Some folks would agree, some would disagree. Why would you like to polarize in the first place?" The point missed was that the example warns those with an itch to stick Hitler's quotes or emacs jokes into an offensive list to reconsider contributing to the fortunes. This kind of thinking in rather absolute terms is not so compatible with FreeBSD's philosophy of 'free', meaning in this context 'unbiased'. The concrete example used is there for a reason. Read the whole page, especially near the end. Not all the fortunes have nothing to do with history, don't they? > Regards, > Marian [SorAlx] ridin' VN1500-B2