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MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_ALLOW(-1.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:46:26 -0000 Greetings, On 14 Jun 2020, at 23:45, Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > Or a message could contain information about whether lines should be > filled and word-wrapped. Like this message you're reading, for > example. It's text/plain format=flowed (RFC 3676). A (tangential) problem is that not only is this MIME parameter only incompletely supported in mail clients (as Kurt notes), but the parameter might not survive going through an MTA. The email client I use does set format=flowed on outgoing text/plain emails, but when I cc myself, that comes back to me via an Exchange server, which (at some point in the message's labyrinthine passage through the server) strips or replaces the content-type header, losing the format=flowed. This seems straightforwardly an error, but when I reported it to local mail admins, they were sympathetic, but also realistic about how far down their priority list fixing it, or reporting it upstream, would be. They found an interesting blog-post by a webmail provider on the topic: , which I think sums up the situation rather well. The situation is disappointing, but I find it hard to work up much real outrage at it. Best wishes, Norman -- Norman Gray : http://www.astro.gla.ac.uk/users/norman/it/ Research IT Coordinator SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK Charity number SC004401