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Date:      Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:43:42 -0500 (EST)
From:      Thomas Valentino Crimi <tcrimi+@andrew.cmu.edu>
To:        security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Disabling FTP (was Re: Why not sandbox BIND?)
Message-ID:  <AsCJOSi00Uw=05x5A0@andrew.cmu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.21.9911220435140.22770-100000@isr4033.urh.uiuc.edu>
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Excerpts from FreeBSD-Security: 22-Nov-99 Re: Disabling FTP (was Re: ..
by Frank Tobin@uiuc.edu 
> You're making a real bold statement that just opening up ftpd leaves the
> box wide open.  This is not a good assumption.  As one person stated
> before, it is not the ftpd being up that renders a box insecure, but
> the sending of cleartext passwords to it is the problem.  If you don't
> send cleartext passwords to it, you're not at risk.

   Another question is:  How far away are we from integrated IPSec?  And
doesn't the usefulness of encrypted protocols such as ssh (except for
when you want MORE security on top of encrypted packets I'd imagine)
begin to diminish as boxes switch from v4 -> v6.  Not something that
will happen overnight, but once FreeBSD ships IPSec, using cleartext
protocols no longer means instant password sniffing.

  This prospect seems very exciting to me, certian protocols stayed a
long time without becoming truly secure and soon they will be in one
fair swoop.  You'll still need ssh for all the boxes which do not / will
never support IPSec.

 --
 Tom 


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