From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 14 22:37:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8AC488 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75B0F69 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-30-57.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.30.57]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28F82760C; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:37:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r2EMbSkD001967; Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:37:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:37:28 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Arthur Chance Subject: Re: Port devel/arduino serial port problems [SOLVED] Message-Id: <20130314233728.484d9e5a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5141E5C0.2040606@qeng-ho.org> References: <5140F60B.20106@qeng-ho.org> <51418ED6.7000400@qeng-ho.org> <20130314133348.fdbdc755.freebsd@edvax.de> <5141E5C0.2040606@qeng-ho.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD-Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:37:26 -0000 On Thu, 14 Mar 2013 14:59:12 +0000, Arthur Chance wrote: > However, my point was a little more general than just fixing this > specific access problem - many desktop machines these days don't have > serial lines or any need for dialer programs, and adding yet another > group to an ever increasing list just so that I can talk to an Arduino > seems a little redundant. Remember that this group isn't _that_ new, it has its own "historical value". :-) Furthermore, if you consider PPPoE, what are you actually doing? You're _dialing_ (not with a phone number, not even through the serial port, but utilizing means of PPP) with your modem connected by an Ethernet cable. This mechanism also requires root privileges, except you are in the "dialer" group. :-) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/serial.html > (As does using /var/spool/lock - isn't that > what /dev/cuaU0.lock is for?) No, those are actual devices, see "man 4 uart" for details. The subtree /var/spool is primarily used for things like mail and printer subsystems. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...