From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 17 09:51:43 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC251065777 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:51:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us) Received: from cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com (cpoproxy2-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.39.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D95B78FC08 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19805 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2010 09:51:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box264.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.64) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2010 09:51:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=joseph-a-nagy-jr.us; h=Message-ID:Date:Disposition-Notification-To:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=g9bytevoTXQ3rwywnEOxziMXza+8Ki+7cw6dEfw47ii7J1huukgyJB2AUGZOUOnFaSYQZ5uwhNNl2ZWlzo1uvQQc0J8j/YaWIXFgjcUP+KlefZepPl00B447QCWEz2Ek; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by box264.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OPBl7-0006h3-7J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:51:41 -0600 Received: from 206.74.86.236 ([206.74.86.236]) by mail.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:51:40 -0600 Message-ID: <20100617035140.x8bpf02348g4o8ok@mail.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:51:40 -0600 From: Programmer in Training To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20100615211740.GA50967@libertas.local.camdensoftware.com> <20100615154956.cfz6ip454w8gcco4@mail.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us> <20100617081156.8441dc67.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20100617081156.8441dc67.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {2250:box264.bluehost.com:ameliora:joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} {sentby:smtp auth 127.0.0.1 authed with pit@joseph-a-nagy-jr.us} Subject: Re: concerning flash under freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 09:51:43 -0000 Quoting Polytropon : > As much as I am now a no-user of "Flash", allow me the > following comments. > > On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:49:56 -0600, Programmer in Training =20 > wrote: >> Almost all Internet video >> has moved to flash as well (such as all the sermons on sermons.net >> which my church uses). > > That's all within transition. Currently, big video portals are > moving to HTML5, often including the wish to also use free and > open standards for their videos so they can access a bigger That's a no-go, I have it on good authority that h.264 was chosen over =20 Theora. That along with mpeg-la having put out a press release saying =20 it won't charge royalties for "free" uses of some of it's patents =20 several months ago[0], while I would love for Theora to have won out =20 as the standard, once again corporate interest (this time a big push =20 from Apple, from what I understand) has won out. > audience. Keeping things in "Flash" is a no-go. A main problem > of "Flash" is that is isn't compatible with the upcoming trend > to move to portable devices. Only HTML5 and compliant browsers > will be present on those platforms, and those who keep their > sites in "Flash" will be out of scope soon. I've only seen some examples of HTML5 sites. My own reluctance to =20 start coding with it is the fact that it's still open to tons of change. > HTML5 will be the future; "Flash" already is the past. Soon, > it won't be important anymore. Conforming to standards will > be the key to all those new platforms that customers are > interested in. You mean the ones who don't mind being told what's best for them (think iPad= )? >> Flash is buggy, I'll give you that, but "Don't >> install it." is not an option for a lot of people. > > I had been using "Flash" in the past (on FreeBSD). It was so > annoying that I finally completely removed it. It has become > *the* choice of "professional web developers" to make their > sites unusable and finally unaccessible, as well as a big > annoyance of users, primarily due to its sheer overuse for > advertising purposes. I never use flash where I'm able to avoid it. I have one client =20 wanting to use it for a simple transition (with affects) on one spot =20 in the front page. I personally won't use the stuff for website =20 development and disallow those sorts of ads. Until HTML5 support is =20 universal in all browser ports (there was mention of that not being =20 the case) talk of HTML5 video verges on the pointless. Yes, Flash is old news and has been for a while. Yes, Flash is not =20 portable because Adobe is a jerk and many mobile/portable device =20 makers won't support it. But that's all irregardless to the OPs =20 question of bugginess on FreeBSD. If the Linux emulation isn't enough =20 and there is no option but to switch to an entirely different =20 platform, why even provide such an option? Linux emulation takes up a =20 lot of resources (space wise on the drive). --=20 Yours in Christ, PIT All original content (C) under the OWL http://owl.apotheon.org Emails are not formal business letters, whatever businesses may want. Please do not CC me. If I'm posting to a list it is because I am subscribed.