From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 15 08:34:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CBD25315B for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KNnq1nqSz3xyq for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:34:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1581755647; x=1584347647; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=HxucDqTwO3hz4UahUyslbSuLnHpKgw3bnuRxZJ44KA8=; b=UifuEfFURMX7W7eed2zwHQdo7XbhsRrCET3do1BzYb05nDFPrbHgMAvo0NMgpF5UEqJCyYx0kNBGiUsVBgcgpUG0Cjwq0x7AcvorguPRjpxDUkpi+Ii5W8YJKZFte7/NAzjBC5xTqK4YMSANGn70OLgz/XwLfOT0BbRGJ0I60ns= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi43NDAwMDAwMDQ2NDdkMy5mcmVlYnNkLXF1ZXN0aW9ucz1mcmVlYnNkLm9yZw== Received: from r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 15 Feb 2020 03:34:03 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 15 Feb 2020 03:34:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j2stj-000Eht-N8 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:33:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:33:59 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KNnq1nqSz3xyq X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=UifuEfFU; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; FORGED_SENDER_VERP_SRS(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; IP_SCORE(0.10)[ip: (-0.29), ipnet: 142.0.176.0/22(0.58), asn: 7381(0.29), country: US(-0.05)]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[198.176.0.142.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.15.0]; ENVFROM_VERP(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.10.freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 08:34:08 -0000 On Sat, 15 Feb 2020 13:38:18 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > But jails lack a repository of ready-made containers with applications. True - but there's never been anything to prevent setting one up, iocage has export, import, rename and snapshot which should provide the necessary core. > To be honest, jails lack even a decent management infrastructure. Yes we There are several iocage, ezjail, cbsd, bsdploy, jest to mention just a few. I find iocage suits my needs well enough. > have bits like "pkg -j", "bectl jail", "bsdinstall jail", > "freebsd-update -b" but nobody cared to build a convenient > infrastructure out of all this, not to speak about a repository of > ready-made jails for different purposes. Quite so, FreeBSD has all the bits to do it and has had for some time, but nobody wanted a repository of pre-built jails enough to make one. Nothing stops you from starting one based around one of the tools above or from scratch based on the native support. It gets done internally by organisations using FreeBSD to provide images that have been tested and vetted by internal dev-ops and security folks - such organisations also tend to build their own docker repository rather than trusting ones from the net. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith