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AD.Zw2CFRmGwH9w-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:32 +0000 Received: by smtp411.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4bdb01775f2ea98711e9fd86c7d76eeb; Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:53:30 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <20200531165330.169b480f@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531033852.9c345a6b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200531024452.GA82377@neutralgood.org> <20200531055607.1195536a@archlinux> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49ZhBk5Wbyz4Dbq X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.04)[-1.042]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[87.248.110.31:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.23)[-0.234]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.046]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:87.248.110.0/24, country:GB]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[87.248.110.31:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:53:37 -0000 On Sun, 31 May 2020 09:04:40 -0500, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >On 5/30/20 10:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: >> On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:44:52 -0400, Kevin P. Neal wrote: =20 >>> Lawyers are mercenaries. They work in the best interest of whoever >>> is paying them. =20 >>=20 >> Actually I'm not paying my lawyer. Since my Money Bins are usually >> not that much filled as averaged Money Bins are, she gets the money >> from the German nation. She represents my interests against German >> government agencies successfully, we always won. IOW it depends on >> the system, as well as on the world view of the layer. =20 > >This is amazing thing: the government pays your lawyer to defend you=20 >from actions of the government. Amazingly unselfish government. > >In my word it is always the fight of interests. The government is as=20 >selfish as people are, thus does all to perpetuate itself (and the=20 >people in command), thus it works tirelessly to grab away people's=20 >freedoms, and the people (some of them) are fighting back attempting >to give up as little of freedoms as possible. Gradually loosing. This >is what I observe looking around, and this is confirmed (for me) by >the fact that tyranny (dictatorship) is the most stable form of the >government. It's called "Beratungshilfe" and we can make use of it for more or less everything, usually to solve issues with landlords, employment law, social legislation, IOW more essential things, than disputes about ordered T-shirts. Actually we usually need to pay 15,-=E2=82=AC, probably to avoid misuse of "Beratungshilfe" for bagatelles. https://www.linguee.com/german-english/translation/beratungshilfe.html https://www.ag-oberhausen.nrw.de/aufgaben/abteilungen/Beratungshilfe/index.= php I guess at least a "Pflichtverteidiger" for criminal trials https://www.dict.cc/?s=3Dpflichtverteidiger is also known in a lot of other countries, even if somebody is guilty of setting a government agency on fire. OTOH in Germany we don't have class actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action#Germany https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammelklage#Deutschland Apart from this consumer centers are not allowed to help against all kinds of companies. The German law has got pros and cons. Rich and famous people enjoy privileges, a well know example is Uli Hoene=C3=9F, the former president of German football club Bayern Munich.