From owner-freebsd-current Sat Feb 21 20:50:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10334 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:50:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10308 for ; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 20:50:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr01.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11694; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:50:05 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr01.primenet.com(206.165.6.201) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpd011677; Sat Feb 21 21:49:58 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr01.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA15586; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 21:49:54 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199802220449.VAA15586@usr01.primenet.com> Subject: Re: More breakage in -current as a result of header frobbing. To: nate@mt.sri.com (Nate Williams) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 04:49:54 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com, nate@mt.sri.com, sef@kithrup.com, current@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199802220123.SAA22198@mt.sri.com> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 21, 98 06:23:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > orthogonal issue of negative reinforcement Nate focussed on, which > > had nothing whatsoever to do with the difference between trusting > > people to do the right thing vs. having the tools *force* people > > to do the right thing whether they remembered to do it or not > > Repeat. It is impossible given today's technology to force people to > make good commits w/out human intervention. Reader/writer/llama locks > do *NOTHING* (!!!!) to make people do a good or bad commit, and only > serve to slow down the process with *NO* gain. There is still no empirical proof that this is true. Once again, I suggest implementing the interface with no teeth for a month so we can see "conflict would have occurred" logs, and match them up to actual occurances of build problems. > Anyone who thinks otherwise is only showing his ignorance. But of course, hand waving beats an experiment any day of the week... Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message