From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 13:15:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5C59CE10B for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EDB914EC for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91D183CC4F; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:15:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8JDFH9b017860; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:15:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:15:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-Id: <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:15:19 -0000 On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: > > > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. > > What is planed for replacement? As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. You can already see this kind of development: The documentation has become a package, and the package manager itself is a package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...