From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 7 06:03:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20924 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 7 May 1997 06:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (root@agora.rdrop.com [199.2.210.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA20916 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 06:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw-fr1.etinc.com [204.141.244.98]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA05583 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 06:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dbws.etinc.com (dbws.etinc.com [204.141.95.130]) by etinc.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA18103 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 09:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970507090018.006e3b78@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 09:00:20 -0400 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: Dennis Subject: Re: if_de.c ???? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk At 11:13 PM 5/6/97 -0700, you wrote: >> Michael, I don't think this is fair. If you look at the mailing list >> archives I have publicly offered to pay somebody to support 21140-AC based >> cards. I also sent mail directly to one of the core members and never >> got a reply. Also, on any system that wishes to have mass end users (and >> I presume this is one of FreeBSD's goals), there are users that will not >> have much, if anything, to contribute back. Ultimately, it's how well >> you support these users that determines the success. > >I must agree that it's definitely not fair in your case to identify >you as some sort of "user slacker"; by all appearances you've done >everything it was practical to do, up to and including offering to PAY >for that support. I'm disappointed that no one took you up on your >offer. > >I'm also very sorry that despite all of the attempts you've made to >meet us half-way, you've still gotten no satisfaction from this. >That's actually fairly atypical, I'd like to say, and when people go >to "escalation level II" they generally get results if it's at all >possible for us to provide them (at least this has certainly been the >case in many of the similar scenarios I've witnessed). > >Do you still have any of these cards? Would you be willing to send me >one? I can't personally fix the de driver's interoperability problems >with it (unless it's some clear and obvious fix from the NetBSD >version), but I can at least make sure that it's sent to someone who >can and I can continue to track the issue until resolution. I've got a whole bunch...and I could fix it, but it'll just be broken when 2.2.2 comes out (which could be any minute now), so why bother? I'll just peddle them on the netbsd list if I have to...I've just put them aside until it gets fixed. db