From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 26 10:05:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD6416A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:05:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lri.lri.fr (lri.lri.fr [129.175.15.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6B743D45 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:05:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from feanor@pc5-179.lri.fr) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lri.lri.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E38C119E7CA; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:05:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from lri.lri.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (lri.lri.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01950-04; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:05:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from pc5-179.lri.fr (pc5-179 [129.175.5.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lri.lri.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C254B19E7F0; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:05:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from pc5-179.lri.fr (localhost.lri.fr [127.0.0.1]) by pc5-179.lri.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAQA54pC031505; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:05:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from feanor@pc5-179.lri.fr) Received: (from feanor@localhost) by pc5-179.lri.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id iAQA53Yx031504; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:05:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from feanor) Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 11:05:03 +0100 From: Marwan Burelle To: "Stein M. Sandbech" Message-ID: <20041126100503.GB31270@pc5-179.lri.fr> References: <51611.192.168.0.200.1101398532.squirrel@192.168.0.200> <87zn15zoqo.fsf@basilikum.skogtun.org> <41A63A78.2030506@mukappabeta.de> <62BDD6A8-3F22-11D9-8328-000D93B0B684@ife.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62BDD6A8-3F22-11D9-8328-000D93B0B684@ife.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at lri.fr cc: Matthias Buelow cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org cc: Harald Arnesen Subject: Re: the best graphicscard for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:05:50 -0000 --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 09:41:30PM +0100, Stein M. Sandbech wrote: >=20 > On Nov 25, 2004, at 9:03 PM, Matthias Buelow wrote: >=20 > >Harald Arnesen wrote: > > > >>All Radeons up to 9100 (9200, but that one is slower). Unfortunately, > >>that excludes all reasonably new cards. > > > >The newer cards work very well. I have a X800se PCI-Express card and=20 > >it works like a charm with X.org 6.8.1 on 5.3. >=20 > Which also the newest nVidia cards also do. I got a brand new Intel MB=20 > based P4 with nVidia GeForce 6 6600 GPU > (on PCI Express of course). They run flawlessly in VESA mode=20 > (FreeBSD5.3 and 4.10). Fast enough for me as a > regular 2D accelerator. In fact this not enough, I've got a Quadro FX 500 on my box at work, I used to have dual head configuration, but unfortunately, for this card it requires nvidia's binary drivers. Ok, it is not so unstable, but, by exprerience, some application make it crash, I, sometimes, have problem with mplayer, it forbid the use of a VESA console, it doesn't do well with ACPI and hyperthreading (simply crash the system ... totaly), it's not thread safe and from my own tests, acceleration is not so fast. I have no use for 3D acceleration (or maybe just for xscreensaver ;) but some other features require the driver, so it's lake of stability is realy a big issue for every day use. Of course nvidia have good reason for that binary only driver, they don't own totaly their libGL (there're big parts from SGI in it.) Since about half of the good performances come from algorithm in libGL (a GPUs, or every other hardware acceleration devices, only provide primitive operations, this operations maybe fast, one still need to combine them cleverly in order to have good perfs), openning it is, somehow, out of question (in fact, the real break comes from SGI, for that point.) So, which card ? I haven't test latest ATI, but if open drivers from Xorg (or XFree) are enough for essential use (no 3D, but acces to the 2 outputs and other features like that) they're maybe the good choice. my 2c. --=20 Burelle Marwan, Equipe Bases de Donnees - LRI http://www.cduce.org (burelle@lri.fr | Marwan.Burelle@ens.fr) --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBpv/PI+2UvUKfgvgRAjaiAJ9cqJo67il1j5zYphog1D+0I+Y0YgCePLAT 37Tln7v++Ul0bg2ieZvTd/4= =mn6T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FkmkrVfFsRoUs1wW--