From owner-freebsd-current Wed Sep 4 6: 5:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1CD37B409 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB8443E91 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 3967 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 13:05:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 4 Sep 2002 13:05:01 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g84D50Bv007528; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:05:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200209040845.JAA16132@rhymer.cogsci.ed.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:05:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Richard Tobin Subject: Re: aout support broken in gcc3 Cc: Maxim Sobolev , Juli Mallett , Julian Elischer , current@FreeBSD.ORG, Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 04-Sep-2002 Richard Tobin wrote: >> You are blowing this out of proportion and not actually reading >> what people are proposing. So far, the comments are about >> removing a.out support from the base compiler and offering >> a.out binutils and gcc _as ports_. > > That would be sufficient for my needs (a matching gdb would be useful > too, I'm not sure if that is part of binutils). > > But I don't think my concern was misplaced: having gone back through > the thread for the past couple of weeks, there were certainly phrases > like > > "drop all traces of a.out support" > "if you need to generate new ones (?) unpack a 2.2.6 system" > > with the ports solution mentioned only "if we really have to have a.out". Well, I think what happened is that people wanted to know if others still needed a.out and thus if ports should be created. I guess some people have been saying some more drastic things then that and it is hard to know who to listen to. :-/ It is a good thing to point out user's needs but accusing developers of never taking the long-term view (which you did not do, I know) is not a good way to win others over to one's argument. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message