From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 21 15:21:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D288FC2 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wg0-f48.google.com (mail-wg0-f48.google.com [74.125.82.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3737AC32 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 16so7321342wgi.3 for ; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer :x-gm-message-state; bh=D5P1lIznPpron0iulEbruVsMz/7Sw2Qy6eabJfrpbaM=; b=E2aLFIN/jhUEuViiEYVLdUOErBrobed11f0K4mB5eGjGXYG+YX0vqXGiIfSbrlbREy g1Ayf6AbXCqjYVJ7Ihe83jXrn383hlM4+v2bY4VAg+pWSielw/AqJwsbuoBQokwNZpnp hIrSFUICy5ctqrKLAzms7ykNhumWoN53HSFiqXQFw6ITxPq2bz28eXfmXy6WcLNNXk7X qESevf/axm86/fkW/yvjtUwiNbScEMV7rvNpGHUawg/VLfcxHN4SqCyZp7Fq20ISYcpr S9w1IoxJMhrhnB5wZBpcElUbkU8UdRavddpkTf1s70DGwxeJxdGzO/bbM6cQS98O8s64 C62A== X-Received: by 10.180.79.6 with SMTP id f6mr42296225wix.26.1361460081458; Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:21:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm35643669wiz.10.2013.02.21.07.21.19 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:21:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD Testing Facility From: Fleuriot Damien In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:21:19 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9A5C98EC-7BDF-482E-A663-F7ED7CB88747@my.gd> References: <51261D9E.6080507@digsys.bg> To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkAaTeA3Khwedd5oyMs09MBq1fpETUSJuCYl3bfpQO8qx/338m+SQqCW90ZvygZXvFjBCqc Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Daniel Kalchev X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 15:21:23 -0000 On Feb 21, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk = wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Daniel Kalchev = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 21.02.13 15:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >>=20 >>> Dear All , >>>=20 >>> During development of FreeBSD , testing is very vital . >>>=20 >>> To my knowledge ( which may not be correct ) , at present , >>> Tinderbox is used to only compilation correctness , >>> means "Syntax" is tested . >>>=20 >>> I have downloaded >>>=20 >>> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/**FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/amd64/** >>> ISO-IMAGES/10.0/FreeBSD-10.0-**CURRENT-amd64-20130216-** >>> = r246877-release.iso= >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> and tried to install it on an Intel DG965WH main board . >>>=20 >>> During the first booting , it generated a panic message and entered = into >>> debug mode . >>>=20 >>> For me it has crashed , because I do not know what to do in debug = mode . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On this main board , it is possible to completely install and = successfully >>> run >>>=20 >>> Windows 7 , >>> Fedora 15 , 17 , 18 , >>> Mageia >>> OpenSuSE >>>=20 >>=20 >> I stopped right here. None of the software you compare = FreeBSD-current to >> is an development build. On the other hand, you downloaded an = cutting-edge >> development build of FreeBSD (not released software) and expected it = to be >> stable. It is not. This is why it is not released. It might not = always >> break, but it might also damage your data and (possibly) hardware = too. >> Unless you agree to accept these risks, you should not play with >> development versions of software. >>=20 >> Having said that, the DG965WH is quite old hardware and any stable = version >> of FreeBSD should work just fine there. You are unlikely to see any = benefit >> of the unreleased versions that are still in development, such as >> supporting "very new" hardware etc. >>=20 >> Sorry if any of this sounds too hard, but it is reflecting reality. = This >> mailing list, freebsd-current exists to facilitate discussion between >> those, who know they are running highly unstable, still in = development >> version of FreeBSD that needs lots of work to become more stable. >>=20 >> Daniel >>=20 >=20 >=20 > I will not support your views . My main idea is to describe how we can = help > to improve FreeBSD testing . >=20 > The problem is " A snapshot intended for testing , is NOT able to = boot." . >=20 > If you ask , do I know what I am doing : My answer is I am working in > computing since 1970 . >=20 And in all that time you've never heard of nightly builds being broken ?