From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Fri Aug 5 14:47:24 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CD1BAF351 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:47:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si) Received: from mail.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [IPv6:2001:1470:ff80::25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F6C7167A for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 14:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si) Received: from amavis-ori.ijs.si (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3s5V5N5WsLzdr for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:47:20 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ijs.si; h= user-agent:message-id:references:in-reply-to:organization :subject:subject:from:from:date:date:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:mime-version:received:received :received:received; s=jakla4; t=1470408437; x=1473000438; bh=BeH 6PTWnfnrhlvRp5rGR06Dw5puNkmY2nsc+Y1xSp10=; b=fRKttLDliyIAxMu8vjP mISVOg5wFH9VT/NhKQzS9pq20ecJA3qyhstKd3ewwE8XUqtapOs9up+G5YLx5F5V XHrsX2BsXBSCJHwyH5FkMoP/dDBFQG+CHWk5snkky6jqBOGD1khw9ckbrlDMbVrh +GPex9luUsDfWapYjFcQMGVI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ijs.si Received: from mail.ijs.si ([IPv6:::1]) by amavis-ori.ijs.si (mail.ijs.si [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with LMTP id HZ44vvr_jj3m for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:47:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mildred.ijs.si (mailbox.ijs.si [IPv6:2001:1470:ff80::143:1]) by mail.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3s5V5J6pHczdq for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:47:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nabiralnik.ijs.si (nabiralnik.ijs.si [IPv6:2001:1470:ff80::80:16]) by mildred.ijs.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3s5V5J5tVnzg6 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2016 16:47:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from neli.ijs.si (2001:1470:ff80:88:21c:c0ff:feb1:8c91) by webmail.ijs.si with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 05 Aug 2016 16:47:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 16:47:16 +0200 From: Mark Martinec To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: date(1) default format changed between 10.3 and 11.0-BETA3 Organization: Jozef Stefan Institute In-Reply-To: References: <3629a441-ee6d-2407-fa13-5ebd8db8d802@freebsd.org> <000c29ee0f3dbd1d433c565023d69e25@mailbox.ijs.si> Message-ID: X-Sender: Mark.Martinec+freebsd@ijs.si User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2016 14:47:24 -0000 On 2016-08-05 07:00, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 5/08/2016 5:44 AM, Mark Martinec wrote: >> Should I open a bug report, or has the problem been noted? > it's not clear without reading the standard whether the bug is in the > old or new version. > have you tried other systems? In particular I'd check OSX Did some research, opened a PR against 11.0-BETA3: [Bug 211598] date(1) default format in en_EN locale breaks compatibility with 10.3 and violates POSIX https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211598 Mark On 2016-08-05 07:00, Julian Elischer wrote: [...] > sh-3.2$ export LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" > sh-3.2$ export LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" > sh-3.2$ export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" > sh-3.2$ export LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" > sh-3.2$ date > Fri Aug 5 12:57:47 AWST 2016 > > if it IS a bug then yes, file a report with full reproduction steps. >> On 2016-08-04 04:32, Julian Elischer wrote: >>> On 4/08/2016 7:24 AM, Mark Martinec wrote: >>>> Is it normal/expected/documented that the date(1) command in 11.0 >>>> now produces a timestamp in substantially different format >>>> in an "en_US.UTF-8" locale (long names, commas, 12 vs. 24h hour >>>> time): >>>> >>>> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:50:43 AM CEST >>>> vs: >>>> Thu Aug 4 00:52:29 CEST 2016 >>>> >>> one of those is a bug. the formats are defined in posix I believe. >>> >>>> >>>> Setting LC_TIME does not help: >>>> >>>> $LC_TIME="C" date >>>> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 01:13:37 AM CEST >>>> >>>> although LC_ALL="C" _does_ help. >>>> >>>> >>>> This is funny too, especially regarding commas: >>>> $ LC_ALL="en_GB.UTF-8" date >>>> Thursday 4 August 2016 at 01:16:45 CEST >>>> $ LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" date >>>> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 01:16:54 AM CEST >>>> >>>> >>>> The date(1) man page states: >>>> The date utility is expected to be compatible with IEEE Std 1003.2 >>>> (“POSIX.2”). >>>> What does POSIX.2 say about date(1) following a locale? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ====== >>>> 11.0-BETA3: >>>> >>>> $ date >>>> Thursday, August 4, 2016 at 12:50:43 AM CEST >>>> >>>> $ uname -a >>>> FreeBSD xxx.ijs.si 11.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 11.0-BETA3 #0 r303469: Fri Jul >>>> 29 02:27:28 UTC 2016 >>>> root@releng2.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >>>> >>>> $ locale >>>> LANG= >>>> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 >>>> >>>> ====== >>>> 10.3-RELEASE-p6 : >>>> >>>> $ date >>>> Thu Aug 4 00:52:29 CEST 2016 >>>> >>>> $ freebsd-version >>>> 10.3-RELEASE-p6 >>>> >>>> $ uname -a >>>> FreeBSD yyy.ijs.si 10.3-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p4 #0: Sat >>>> May 28 12:23:44 UTC 2016 >>>> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >>>> amd64 >>>> >>>> $ locale >>>> LANG= >>>> LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" >>>> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark