From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Wed Jul 13 09:17:35 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C61B9305F for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:17:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 149CC12EB for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bNGIH-002XHc-0p>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:17:25 +0200 Received: from p578a69f9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.138.105.249] helo=freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.85) with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (envelope-from ) id <1bNGIG-001w3d-Nk>; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:17:24 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:17:24 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: Chris H , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-11.0-BETA1-amd64-disc1.iso is too big for my 700MB CD-r Message-ID: <20160713111724.1ff801ac@freyja.zeit4.iv.bundesimmobilien.de> In-Reply-To: <20160713090506.GK20831@zxy.spb.ru> References: <5784908E.1090007@ShaneWare.Biz> <2d3ef451db7ad0b9149c9eceb04227c8@ultimatedns.net> <20160713090506.GK20831@zxy.spb.ru> Organization: FU Berlin X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.13.2 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 87.138.105.249 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:17:35 -0000 On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:05:06 +0300 Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 02:05:32PM -0700, Chris H wrote: > > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 16:09:10 +0930 Shane Ambler > > wrote > > > On 12/07/2016 06:54, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > > DVD-R dates to 1997; cheap USB flash devices are now pervasive. Maybe > > > > it's time to move on from CD. > > > > > > +1 on dropping CD images. I haven't burnt a CD in over 10 years and I > > > don't believe I have seen a CD only drive in that time. Even with a CD > > > size image I have burnt them to DVD, I first started this because > > > transfer speeds of DVD's are faster and nowadays it costs almost the > > > same to burn a DVD. So I see zero benefit to using CD's and that's > > > before thinking of reusable USB devices. > > > > > > I do think there is a benefit to keeping the small boot only image > > > available that can be used to start/recover a machine that can then > > > download any data to be installed. > > > > > > -- > > > FreeBSD - the place to B...Storing Data > > > > > > Shane Ambler > > > > > > > -1 > > There is no *good* reason that FreeBSD can't maintain the CD image. > > I think the *real* question here is; *why* is it now so hard to fit > > it on a CD? > > clang main binary now 50MB size (27MB for 10.x) -- on live FS and in base.txz. > 11.x now ship lldb (on live FS too) -- 50MB also binary -- on live FS > and in base.txz. > kernel now 26M vs 12M on 10.3. > kernel with modules now 115MB vs 54MB on 10.3 > total size of *.a now 50M (vs 48M). > > All binaries slightly bigger: usr/bin/ld from 1580008 to 1615912 (+2%). > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" More than a decade ago, some of us ran into trouble with floppy disks and/or tapes, when software started to outgrow some older media. The tribute to progress is, in some aspects, also to sacrifice. FreeBSD is one of the few free operating systems which provides a plethora of installation media - compared to some PR-shiny alternatives from the camp "Linux". A CD is still a used media, but it starts getting squeezy on it as certain software starts to grow - as CLANG/LLVM does. Maybe it is time to have also CDs as "miniboot" and DVDs for a more complete installation media? Kind regards, oh