From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 13:20:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4559CE410 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:20:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1904D179E for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8JDKYms029766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:20:35 -0500 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55FD6122.7030201@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:26:04 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:20:37 -0000 On 09/19/15 08:21, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >> >>> Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: >>>> freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. >>> freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. >> What is planed for replacement? > As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components > comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports > collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on > will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is > a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except > that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) > doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. > > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). Agreed (& I *love* it) on all counts, but still binaries being downloaded & installed, a potential trust problem vis-a-vis some of the earlier posts & still potentially irreproducible .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr.