From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 11 21:12:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF4137B400 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org [64.239.180.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EE643E42 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@jetcafe.org) Received: from hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8C4CM153202; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:12:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org) Message-Id: <200209120412.g8C4CM153202@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Neal E. Westfall" , Giorgos Keramidas , Joshua Lee , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:12:17 -0700 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "TL" == Terry Lambert writes: > "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: >> > Well, if you want, we can start at the very, very beginning, >> > and work out the entire basis for a rationalist world view. >> > We can start with "light bulbs work". >> >> Actually you can't start there. The premise that "light bulbs work" >> is dependent on the uniformity of nature, for which you have yet to >> provide a justification. > > I justify it by the fact that light bulbs are *observed* to work. I thought "observation" was an inaccurate methodology in the Terry Lambert mindview? > By "extropy", we are talking about a local increase in order. > AKA "life". I bet you can't prove that life is an increase in order. Any poor urban area is disproof by observation. ;) > I can change a rational person's views, as a rational person > can change mine. All they need to do is argue from the basis > of logic. I've had my opinions chnaged many, many times in > the past, by people arguing rationally. ...using your particular arbitrary set of presumptions as axioms. ;) ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Nasrudin went into a bank with a check to cash. "Can you identify yourself?" asked the clerk. Nasrudin took out a mirror and peered into it. "Yes, that's me alright." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message