From owner-freebsd-current Wed Dec 15 11:20:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26047153A3 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 11:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: from yedi.iaf.nl (uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id TAA26092; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:20:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01042; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:49:22 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wilko) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:49:22 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mark Newton Cc: Thomas Runge , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle? Message-ID: <19991215194922.E447@yedi.iaf.nl> References: <3856BD33.5DE1AB48@newsguy.com> <19991215105736.A467@internode.com.au> <38576264.7D33C327@rostock.zgdv.de> <19991215233319.B1263@internode.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <19991215233319.B1263@internode.com.au>; from newton@internode.com.au on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:33:19PM +1030 X-OS: FreeBSD yedi.iaf.nl 3.3-STABLE FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 11:33:19PM +1030, Mark Newton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Thomas Runge wrote: > > For mainly server-oriented, the "install source to update" or > > console-based setups are quite enough, because the system will > > most probably administraded by people, that know, what they are > > doing. > > But is it reasonable to say, "You can't play at all if you don't > fit that description"? > > (Especially since the NT server camp seems to think you can administer > a system with zero knowledge of anything; The requirement that they > suddenly need to become familiar with how to deal with large archives of > source code isn't going to help us get a foot in those doors). Whatever [CG]UI you throw at the problem at hand: there is *NO* programmer- fixable way out from cluelessnes. What good would be a system that is a snap to install but once it is installed it says # to you? -- Wilko Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands - The FreeBSD Project WWW : http://www.tcja.nl http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message