From owner-freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 16 11:41:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE098232 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:41:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hans.petter.selasky@bitfrost.no) Received: from mta.bitpro.no (mta.bitpro.no [92.42.64.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC5AF9A for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.lockless.no (mail.lockless.no [46.29.221.38]) by mta.bitpro.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611547A189; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lockless.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CA58EEC2B; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:41:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.6.4 (20090625) (Debian) at lockless.no Received: from mail.lockless.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.lockless.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NKAo2dC0JKjq; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:41:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from laptop015.hselasky.homeunix.org (31.89-11-148.nextgentel.com [89.11.148.31]) by mail.lockless.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47DA38EEC0A; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:41:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <51E531CE.4040309@bitfrost.no> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 13:43:10 +0200 From: Hans Petter Selasky Organization: Bitfrost A/S User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130522 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Velcro Leaf Subject: Re: usb/177895: similar 1TB Western Digital "My Passports" - some load, some don't References: <201304211610.r3LGA21Y061796@freefall.freebsd.org> <1373973128.82056.YahooMailNeo@web164506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1373973128.82056.YahooMailNeo@web164506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD support for USB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:41:36 -0000 On 07/16/13 13:12, Velcro Leaf wrote: >> The stalled messages has nothing to do with the mass storage part. It simply indicates that some error happened during a USB control request.The USB stack will re-try this particular message, so it is not directly dangerous. > > > Well, the drive doesn't actually work on the other computer, so something important is wrong. The fact that the other machine silently fails is maybe more telling? > >> After many years in the USB game I feel a need to emphasize again, that many of the mass storage related errors reported here are not a USB HOST problem. There is a USB standard defined at www.usb.org, that we are trying to comply to. > > I totally respect that, but all these devices work with other OSs (which shall remain unnamed). There's intellectual purity and then there's getting the freaking things to work. How do these other OSs deal with the quirks? Is it a matter of downloading piles of drivers? > > I do like the idea of a FreeBSD Seal of Approval. It would save us all a lot of time. Hi, Probably some that can be discussed at the next EuroBSDcon ! > > Any suggestion for fixing the problem? (Other than the long term, but probably fruitless, suggestion of complaining to Western Digital?) > Could you try to look through the quirks list, using usbconfig and see if your device is really quirked like it should. I know there has been introduced an attempt to auto-detect quirks, and this is disabled if any quirks are set manually. --HPS