From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 21 17:42:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42571065670 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kob6558@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0248FC0C for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by werg1 with SMTP id g1so1873771wer.13 for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=j/KquupZrmsa3i1al71CdOZ4O9oavBpgGU3zEANM9RE=; b=eaQ8U+qJCaXFLxMQGCd3MOTvIOnFd+iD4uqKOgLQ7O7nXPhKwYwoiA9NkDyj96lQ7D xG1MQIQU06ekzZSwpnK9Fwjr0ja9bZe8EtNg6YiERnvAxwfI2MCTDcjMpKuOJQsWu8Bg ZmGlGoucBSmDCxpQSJxIn60vL6qPYebHTxlcA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.134.39 with SMTP id r39mr1122287wei.50.1327167768149; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.101.196 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:42:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120121154634.GA39172@icarus.home.lan> References: <4F15D643.8000907@rewt.org.uk> <20120118075049.289954e8@zelda.sugioarto.com> <20120121101842.786fc402@zelda.sugioarto.com> <20120121141151.0ee68aa3@zelda.sugioarto.com> <20120121154634.GA39172@icarus.home.lan> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 09:42:48 -0800 Message-ID: From: Kevin Oberman To: Jeremy Chadwick Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Joe Holden , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List , Martin Sugioarto , Ronald Klop Subject: Re: Timekeeping in stable/9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:42:49 -0000 On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 02:11:51PM +0100, Martin Sugioarto wrote: > > Am Sat, 21 Jan 2012 13:20:51 +0100 > > schrieb "Ronald Klop" : > > > BTW: My experience with VBox is that it is nice for hobby stuff, but > > > not for heavy load server stuff. VMWare does a better job there. > > Agreed. > > The number of problems with VirtualBox continues to grow (you should see > my Mail/sent folder sometime). I don't know or why anyone on earth > would use VirtualBox with problems like what's described in this thread, > combined with problems like what's described below (which TMK still > hasn't been addressed): > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-February/061642.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-July/063172.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-July/063221.html > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2011-July/063322.html > > I would recommend you stick with bare metal, or use something that's at > least well-established like VMware products (Workstation, for example, > is actually affordable, and ESXi is free -- though there have been > problems posted to the list about FreeBSD on ESXi as well). Xen gets > praise here on the lists, but I haven't tried it myself. I stick with > bare metal for everything, sans "tinkering around". > Hmm. The OP has XP as a guest on FreeBSD9. I am unaware that VMware has any software for this purpose. Specifically, the only virtualization system that I am aware can run on FreeBSD as the host is VirtualBox. I won't ague about its many issues and limitations, but for any use of FreeBSD as a host system, it's the only game in town. I suspect that most VB users on FreeBSD use it to get access to a small number of took on Windows...the ones in Office. It's still better than either LibreOffice or OpenOffice.org for either documents or presentations, especially presentations that will be displayed on a Windows system (as most are). -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer E-mail: kob6558@gmail.com