From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Oct 9 16:09:44 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944A3E34CAC for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD2D02D0F for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id AECC5E34C9F; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE471E34C9E for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x231.google.com (mail-it0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CC7662CF9 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x231.google.com with SMTP id g18so13503005itg.5 for ; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:09:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=AfrMSkp0Ni84Ti8O1RgU2OcWQUE3n7tzcZU8aPeqaFI=; b=RxXFfd+L35j6yaSblzO6jmll5EIL52jxZ48+a7vyqbOGCius3RLlKNTAHTGLtINVKu Kqp8cpXKtM1+Xq5UNhhtLVEE0OrI9ULD88s/NKG6WutRDbMNxanSTZ7ro2CO/Ngv03pE SWENaddBaEuMLybTC88Qfgc1kusR0U36TfRCjR1+LP1iNCI1b/xuh99kjTKEe3mODQHe hVk5WQOeOFSBMTyOlQ8QbJa1zYMfBzBIfpb49qvVHZO/Je94RP0WYQWPDzb/C6O2ylIP DfR1cq8Sk1HJ5MoVlmBqwncODzKjUdJEqnzzLWqnCdoluBmwbxRNFtcXzD0iHN1hMS7t QQeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AfrMSkp0Ni84Ti8O1RgU2OcWQUE3n7tzcZU8aPeqaFI=; b=DLN4UfH0XqppCtadnljHJ3uweYke3HZ6U48DkokO94MQ3LmVNKEzyAvyCmc1mYluhF QfAsdranoGfbOmtNFXOfYuEWdEflruOAapKKsv/2FkJBaP2qDz9FyV4QGJEvwwct0e4/ CirNhk3fz527Gijbmkz+IxQcl5aF4zZkVHDNSLQj9f8VBmZ+UTmC3J0Q4gbb2E7eF/7q 010ZG6a3CFTnhY9v7btCBjBGJmy5tL0nJEmkvtoWcuq7CMKWa6msMZFRgwdhsc39K2tA qu4aVk9AsTklJDZJ/sVpzOABOp2raicXz3ghWpQF4XuPgEOY8KvdbekTbEYm4yUrAX75 zzig== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaXUzMn1SkT/j4cgl0aqrH6gPxnlMw0Vcm6eE8prTaQppYPmR6CR wJgaOEtxVN/hEixiVDGikxof5hp+2fUYaltrLmSE2g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QDNbbQN80ziFIXI0zaed97uoL/zFEqDkW38Li8TdtEkygi50DKMLmveEGTJTa1XpXS2eT4m24wPi7ijPPjclqY= X-Received: by 10.36.203.3 with SMTP id u3mr13304316itg.136.1507565382101; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 09:09:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.94.130 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 09:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2603:300b:6:5100:8936:338a:89de:d5ea] In-Reply-To: <1507565085.77958.3.camel@freebsd.org> References: <23C4A573-05A7-4D76-9179-19169ECAB570@FreeBSD.org> <1507565085.77958.3.camel@freebsd.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:09:41 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: S9KRzEKcEMqLJ2Se4KltjAD00As Message-ID: Subject: Re: deorbiting /usr/lib/libstand.a, moving to sysboot To: Ian Lepore Cc: Dimitry Andric , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:09:44 -0000 On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 17:57 +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: > > On 9 Oct 2017, at 07:45, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'd like to deorbit /usr/lib/stand.a and /usr/include/stand.h. These > are > > > really parts of the boot loader with an unstable API and shouldn't be > > > installed into the system. It's really a private library to the boot > loader. > > Though I completely agree with this, I am still interested in the > > historical reasons for separating out this library for general userland > > consumption. Were there any other parts of world that happened to use > > libstand? > > > > -Dimitry > > > > There are out-of-tree users of libstand. Perhaps not many, but a > couple times after doing something to libstand I've received emails > from people that thanked me for the enhancement and mentioned some non- > loader(8) use of the lib in passing. (Unfortunately, I can't find any > of those mails now, they were from 2-3 years ago.) > They can email me and I'll help them convert over... :) Warner