From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 13:32:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8516C9CEC2F for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38F5A1E20 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdIG0-000F59-Tq; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:32:48 +0300 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:32:48 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:32:52 -0000 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 03:15:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > > Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: > > > > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > > > > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. > > > > What is planed for replacement? > > As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components > comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports > collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on > will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is > a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except > that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) > doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. This is very bad. > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. Kernel and userland versions mismatch. glibc version incompatible with rpm. pkunzip.zip problem. And etc.