From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 4 17:50:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44F016A41C for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:50:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7A443D48 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:50:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from [66.47.111.183] (helo=joeandlane.com) by smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1DpV5l-0005Hl-KN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2005 13:50:49 -0400 Received: from joeandlane.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by joeandlane.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j64HwJG9048731 for ; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:58:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by joeandlane.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j64HwJn7048730 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:58:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lane@joeandlane.com) From: Lane To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:58:18 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200507041258.19036.lane@joeandlane.com> X-ELNK-Trace: e56a4b6ca9bdfda11aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec797d2305cfc5ff906cf36225df07c8e9dd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.47.111.183 Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 17:50:50 -0000 On Monday 04 July 2005 11:51, you wrote: > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Dmitry Mityugov > > >Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:03 PM > > >To: Lane > > >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > >Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD > > > > > > > > >On 7/3/05, Lane wrote: > > >... > > > > > >> It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest > > > > > >the on-going > > > > > >> decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's > > > > > >almost like a > > > > > >> guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! > > > > > >... > > > > > >I believe there was nothing in the original question that would > > >resemble "redecorating". It was a polite question about why FreeBSD > > >had this "feature". > > > > No, it wasn't. Not if you read the entire message context. It was > > a question along the lines of "how dare you do this" or "what idiot > > used this" He may not have used those exact words but the meaning > > was clear. > > Disclaimer: I love the Beastie image and do not want to see him (it) > changed. > > Sorry if this repeats something someone else has said (I admit I did > not read every message in this thread), but it strikes me that folks > are trying to have it both ways with Beastie: Yes, he's a daemon, not > a demon, but he also has devil horns and a tail. Tennis shoes > notwithstanding, he *does* look devilish. And that fork in his hand > (yes, we all know what the fork is), sure looks devilish, too. The > point is that it's not surprising that those who are offended, or > choose to be offended for whatever reason, are not persuaded by the > daemon versus demon language. > > Don Tyson Don, I agree. It is not surprising that people choose to be offended by the image. People choose to be offended by whatever they choose. We make software choices based upon popularity, esthetics, availability, and even religious conviction - that is a personal choice, and I'm pleased to support such personal choice. But those who evangalize for or against a software (or other individual choice) based upon personal religious conviction are worthy of contempt - not education, not understanding, not even forgiveness, just contempt. I disagree with the earlier claim that this was ever a "polite question." This has always been an insidious attempt by outsiders and newcomers to influence the direction and even the history of some of the most important players in the open-source community, since the question easily applies to all *nix systems. I grudginly accept that those who ask the question may not even realize what they are doing, but I'd wager that most evangelicals don't realize the impact of what they do, either - that still doesn't make it polite, innocent, or in any way acceptable.