From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 21 10:15:19 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A30106564A for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D8A8FC08 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwe4 with SMTP id 4so3289178qwe.13 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:15:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Bx0aYjUH8ZB36RKMGrsux9nSryjt2Ser/+CgsgGsyfo=; b=I0WGyejiRNSi6h4W9nm/h2U7f4iLi59sg9gpNOAVf0BtixLFnwBqMl8pUhR7tkxjmg 2XwFSdQDytnYWoJuIMjjEiMwnDjXKIskit8fIvT7yd+4cFbPAYdWAbOJCG4w4pLtbeNh plAcWjQ/JH7WS0s07C4wcRKwl3KUg0kd7YOZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=lxFzjXLulbY/9v3eqvB/t4XqZnc3N1b5F0HJMeeeygUiK2JezxRh0rJmqnOW6EqXcD ZVKaRqQABwzfc1Xj9FJP5IN5RFtQZiK/i9CAmE0cOJGS9HvzrbtHZNgEK1Sqe6ttWoCQ 3qrBeM0n1xrgEoe4KtdHq1Lf9pBqtnFAMnX2o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.195.7 with SMTP id ea7mr528173qab.171.1287656117280; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.215.209 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:15:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CBF4CB4.6070902@qeng-ho.org> References: <20101017143901.GA71132@current.Sisis.de> <20101019074615.GA2183@current.Sisis.de> <20101020022946.GA23035@thought.org> <20101020052601.GA1977@current.Sisis.de> <4cbe9e9a.3qT7q8JUqJxSD8/V%perryh@pluto.rain.com> <20101020165526.GA25310@thought.org> <4CBF21EB.1080003@tundraware.com> <20101020194605.GA78565@stainmore> <4CBF4CB4.6070902@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:15:16 +0100 Message-ID: From: krad To: Arthur Chance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Bob Hall Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks & BSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:15:19 -0000 On 20 October 2010 21:10, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: > >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> >>> On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: >>>> >>>>> Matthias Apitz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline >>>>>> escribi?: >>>>>> >>>>>>> PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the >>>>>>> VAX >>>>>>> 780 days :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>> I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a PDP-11 around 1982, I think. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Gotcha beat :) UNIX V6, PDP-11/34, RK05 disk cartridge, 1975. >>>>> The whole runtime fit on one RK05. The sources took a second one. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I remember the 11/34 fondly. The whole EE department at Cory >>>> Hall was running one one; then when I interned at Livermore my >>>> job of porting the "Portable F77 Compiler" was done with vi and >>>> the source code that Stu Feldman wrote. I love[d] those bloody >>>> old computers, :-) Dunno why. Maybe because they really >>>> *were* about computing. Not streaming [[whatever]] or having >>>> php running. (Blah^9^9^9) >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>> >>> Heck, when I started out, they didn't even have zeros and ones yet. >>> We had to settle for "o"s and "l"s ... >>> >> >> When I started out, we didn't have read/write heads for the hard disks. >> We had to copy the data from the screen to the disk by hand using >> magnetized sewing needles. In order to read the damn things we had to >> pass a compass over the disk and see where the needle deflected. >> > > Enough Monty Python Yorkshiremen claims, already. :-) > > Getting back to reality, although I never did it (fortunately), a friend of > mine who was about a decade older than me (I'm mid/late 50s) had the > experience of programming microcode on a machine by inserting brass slugs > for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board. Anyone got any idea what > that was? He was (UK) military so maybe it wasn't a generally known box. > > > -- > "Although the wombat is real and the dragon is not, few know what a > wombat looks like, but everyone knows what a dragon looks like." > > -- Avram Davidson, _Adventures in Unhistory_ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > My dad used to smooth the stones for his *abaci* 8))