Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:07:01 -0800 From: Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> To: Doug Kirk <dbkirk@gmail.com> Cc: FreeBSD X11 mailing list <freebsd-x11@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DRM removal soon Message-ID: <20190228230701.GA59003@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <CAGhTqAXx-xBM6yP33DW5QRYVzexURy7asCd4HJgfCOShGPO4rw@mail.gmail.com> References: <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20190228194929.GA18747@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <201902282034.x1SKYWMi006337@slippy.cwsent.com> <20190228210635.GA31257@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <CAGhTqAXx-xBM6yP33DW5QRYVzexURy7asCd4HJgfCOShGPO4rw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 03:53:53PM -0600, Doug Kirk wrote: > On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 3:07 PM Steve Kargl < > sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > > Seems our experiences are exact opposites. :( > > > > I suppose it is the bane of those of who cannot afford > > new hardware every 2 or 3 years. > > > > > Hmm, because amd64 has only been available for the last 2 or 3 years? It > was added to FreeBSD as experimental in 5.1-RELEASE (June 2003) and > standard in 5.2-RELEASE (January 2004). I have a amd64 system with CPU: AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor (4018.33-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin="AuthenticAMD" Id=0x600f20 Family=0x15 Model=0x2 Stepping=0 Guess what? Yep, it uses drm-legacy-kmod because the radeon video card (drmn0: <Caicos [Radeon HD 6450]>) I have is sort of not supported by drm-current-kmod. When I tried to use drm-current-kmod, I watched /var/log/message fill up with some error message about waiting for a mfence memory barrier. I was advised by the graphics team to use drm-legacy-kmod. Sure, I can just run out an buy a shiny new video card, which will be obsolescence in a few years and fall off the support video list. At which point, I can rinse and repeat. > Jeff Atwood commented on desktop adoption of x86-64 in 2007 here: > https://blog.codinghorror.com/is-it-time-for-64-bit-on-the-desktop/ , and > it even mentions that graphics cards don't like 32-bit limits. > > If you bought an x86-32 system within the last 2-3 years, why is that > anybody else's fault that your graphics-based computer was obsolete when > you bought it? You have completely missed the point. I didn't buy the laptop in the last 2 or 3 years. It is several years old. The system was working just fine until the PAE vs non-PAE merge was committed (which surprise effects i386 systems). It is the system on which I work out the bits for libm, where the i387 FPU is set such that long double only has 53-bits of precision. Yep, I know, no one uses i386-class systems for numerical work. Given the condition of libm and the crickets on freebsd-numerics@, it seems very few people do any numerical research with freebsd. > Please stop whining on the mailing list, you're just adding noise by > setting up straw-man arguments. I suppose pointing out that "the emperor has no clothes" can be considered whining. When I commit a patch to the gcc tree, if it affects others, I work to fix the problem. I don't shoot the messenger. At one point in time, FreeBSD developers cared about the quality of their work. -- Steve
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