From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 8 02:41:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0D616A417 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8F513C44B for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nslay@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.12]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aJ3V1Y00G0FhH240A0ny00; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:30:57 +0000 Received: from ANTENNA.LOCAL ([68.35.224.189]) by OMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id aSWm1Y00145o48c8U00000; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:30:48 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4t0EGNEL7NIA:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=vext6BO2qdmZY04CEjgA:9 a=gg1Ae2cUiHu5OG4PmfUA:7 a=p0ne2X57Gygs0qlzEIghoT77FUYA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=GYkEkZsVyOwA:10 a=v47ZLdibA2YA:10 Message-ID: <4782E003.2030405@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:29:23 -0500 From: Nathan Lay User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071230) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" References: <542798610801060556h28d300f2n4fdcf21d83d2213f@mail.gmail.com> <47813D8E.9080603@fsck.ch> <542798610801061326o63f731d5o32bef2eb2624f85e@mail.gmail.com> <20080106222040.GB67243@tirith.brixandersen.dk> <542798610801061458m2a878a9dj2d33065de3642236@mail.gmail.com> <1199667145.899.39.camel@RabbitsDen> <47817EE8.2050302@comcast.net> <1199682406.718.6.camel@RabbitsDen> In-Reply-To: <1199682406.718.6.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable , Johannes Dieterich Subject: Re: overheating Thinkpad X60s with 7.0-RC1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:41:57 -0000 Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 20:22 -0500, Nathan Lay wrote: > >> Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 2008-01-06 at 23:58 +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 1/6/08, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:26:48PM +0100, Johannes Dieterich wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> X and T series of the thinkpads are rather different, even the cores are >>>>>> completely different (I have a dualcore low-voltage version, I assume >>>>>> yours is running on a dual Pentium m, or?). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> FWIW, I haven't seen any temperature related issues on my ThinkPad >>>>> X60s, which has been tracking -CURRENT for the last year or so. >>>>> >>>>> It too has had the IPW3945 replaced by an Atheros wireless card, but >>>>> it is still using the original HDD. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Can the HDD change already cause such a thing? Besides that: I have not >>>> configured anything myself concerning ACPI. Anyone any idea what/where/how >>>> to check? I DO think that the fan is working. I can hear it (and it does not >>>> sound ill) and it also shows in >>>> >>>> $ sysctl dev.acpi_ibm >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 1443 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 9 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4071 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 >>>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 62 61 -1 58 43 -1 40 -1 >>>> >>>> Now not being touched at all for an hour and just idling around. Besides it >>>> did work under 6.2 without problems, would be a crazy coincident if right >>>> with the update the fan broke. >>>> >>>> Any idea anyone? :S >>>> >>>> >>> First -- the disclaimer -- mine is X60 (not X60s), but with 1.83GHz >>> 32-bit CPU, so it should be somewhat similar to yours. At the moment it >>> has USB drivers loaded, which tends to bump CPU utilization and >>> temperature. It has UltraBase attached and is sitting on top of the >>> aluminum passive cooler pad. >>> >>> It was bought originally with the Atheros card and 100GB drive and 1GB >>> of memory was added later to the total of 2GB. >>> >>> System is -CURRENT as of January 5th 18:00 EST. This laptop was tracking >>> -CURRENT pretty close since I have acquired it 15 month ago. It does >>> buildwords with -j5 at least weekly. >>> >>> At the moment, I am writing this E-mail and playing some music, using >>> Amarok. It is on the wired network ATM, but I do not recall any thermal >>> problems while using wireless connection. >>> >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 133 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 7 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2874 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 >>> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 62 52 -1 61 39 -1 37 -1 >>> RabbitsDen# sysctl -a | grep temperature >>> hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 62.0C >>> hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 62.0C >>> dev.cpu.0.temperature: 63 // You need coretemp.ko loaded >>> dev.cpu.1.temperature: 63 // to get these values. >>> RabbitsDen# >>> >>> I does look shade cooler then yours, and fan is running at the lower >>> speed. >>> >>> I will try to list things that I do/have done, and you can compare them >>> to your setup: >>> -- BIOS is updated to the latest level (I do keep XP partition for this >>> specific purpose). >>> -- I run powerd: >>> powerd_enable="YES" >>> powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" >>> -- I set hw.pci.do_power_nodriver="3" in /boot/loader.conf >>> -- I run GNOME (please, no religious wars here) >>> -- I set low CPU state to C2 in rc.conf >>> performance_cx_lowest="C2" # Online CPU idle state >>> economy_cx_lowest="C2" # Offline CPU idle state >>> >>> I could not think of anything else related to the temperature, ATM. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Johannes >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >>>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >>>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> 62C looks awfully high for playing music and writing emails. I have a >> > Thank you very much for pointing this out -- turns out that I was > missing cpufreq module -- restoring that to its proper place got me down > to: > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2866 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 53 54 -1 52 37 -1 34 -1 > > where it belongs. I don't think it will ever be as well cooled as T43 > due to its tight packaging though... > > >> Thinkpad T43 (and T40) and it usually stays between 40-50C while doing >> those types of things. When its building world, I get around 70C and >> usually no higher. >> I do notice, however, that FreeBSD seemed to never use the fan to its >> potential on any of the Thinkpads I've used (T40 for 3 years, T43 for 3 >> years). Comparably, Windows XP would rev the fan far higher than even >> setting 'dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level=7' when under load. The fan can >> certainly work faster (even when booting FreeBSD, its audibly >> faster)...but 7 is the highest level acpi_ibm allows one to set. >> >> Here's my dev.acpi_ibm on a T43 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 4677 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 7 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 0 >> dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 44 42 33 47 33 -1 24 -1 >> >> Using dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan=1 yields similar results, but the fan runs quieter. >> > Can you, please, post sysctl.dev.cpu.0 results? > > >> Best Regards, >> Nathan Lay >> > > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU_ dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.freq: 1066 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1866/27000 1632/23625 1600/23700 1400/20737 1333/20400 1166/17850 1066/17100 932/14962 800/13800 700/12075 600/10350 500/8625 400/6900 300/5175 200/3450 100/1725 dev.cpu.0.temperature: -1 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/85 dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C1 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 100.00% 0.00% 0.00% Best Regards, Nathan Lay