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Thu, 11 Jun 2020 07:33:59 +0000 Received: by smtp420.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0713d5b210dd07c70c6006bad527a481; Thu, 11 Jun 2020 07:33:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 09:33:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <62d10000-e068-922e-23bd-f7a61e7a4e89@anatoli.ws> <6a4f6a15-ec43-03f6-1a41-a109e445f026@anatoli.ws> <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <20200611070630.2cb42786.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200611091449.383e1d83@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16072 hermes_yahoo Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49jFwV1Sb2z4BWp X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; 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Depending on mailing > list settings, formatted headers of the user and the wanted result, both > have got pros and cons. >=20 > Either "reply all" or "reply" could invoke a mailing list reply in a > smart way. >=20 > However, it depends on the wanted result and the headers of the sender > and kept or overridden headers by the mailing list. >=20 > Btw. the mailing list never sends 2 replies. One reply is from the > list, the other directly from the sender. It's even possible to disable > duplicated messages by mailman, but then you'll receive a reply without > mailing list header, IOW just the reply from the sender. IOW it's a > cheap workaround, it's not smart. >=20 > A "smart" solutions always providing the mailing list header is > possible, but hard to achieve. It only works if the common goal is > defined and all pull together. Depending on the goal, the mailing list header is unneeded and can't be provided. Btw. the goal could not only be 'if a do p' and 'if b do q' ... unfortunately there are more things to consider ... you might want to do 'p' or 'q' only, but 'if a' and 'if b' might require more logic such as 'if a and if y' or 'if a and if z' ... > It requires agreement regarding the content of the Reply-To and > From headers. >=20 > A problem could be that some MUAs usually only provide > one of the two options, but it's required that depending on the goal > the user can chose between "reply all" or "reply" to invoke a > mailing list reply.