From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Aug 19 15:56:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FB937B400 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from andrew.brobus.net (ns1.brobus.net [24.129.14.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE2043E42 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:56:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tamir@brobus.net) Subject: RE: zero sendmail Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:58:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <985DF46E87E0C047A3670048DBCAD055086905@andrew.brobus.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Thread-Topic: zero sendmail Thread-Index: AcJHxuLhgInY785MQSy2bfoMxGDYdQAC6Se5 From: "Tamir Halperin" To: "Ruben de Groot" , Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ruben, Please accept my apologies for belaboring a point already heavily = discussed. In my case, I believe I'm asking a question that has not been = articulated very well, at least not to the satisfaction of someone at my = (low) level of experience. I'm actually interested in a "zero" sendmail footprint. I have searched = the archives for days and have, indeed, found many emails that pertain = to the general issues of dealing with a sendmail-less freebsd = installation as well as others that deal with working around sendmail. But I still believe I'm asking for information on something I have yet = to uncover in the archives. I have not yet found an archived email that = describes how to entirely remove sendmail from the system so that = nothing of sendmail remains. Any pointers to archived emails I may have = overlooked would be greatly appreciated. An additional note is my suggestion on how general MTA functionality = might be handled. I was sincerely hoping that this maillist might be a = forum for such a discussion. If I'm wrong, please accept my apology = again. Very sincerely, Tamir "How much more grievous are the consequences of anger than the causes of = it." MARCUS AURELIUS 121 - 180 -----Original Message----- From: Ruben de Groot [mailto:fbsd-q@bzerk.org] Sent: Mon 8/19/02 5:23 PM To: Tamir Halperin Cc:=09 Subject: Re: zero sendmail This issue has been discussed over and over in the past. Just read the = mailing=20 list archieves, it keeps coming back every few weeks. Since you don't bring in new arguments, give it a rest.=20 Greetings, Ruben On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 04:37:21PM -0400, Tamir Halperin typed: > There are many conversations about how to deal with sendmail in = freebsd. I would love a definitive answer to how sendmail can be = entirely removed from the system. Even not electing it as part of the = system during configuration and installation still causes it to show up = and, if I'm not mistaken, show up configured and running. The scenario = I'm looking for is a set of steps to actually "remove" it from the = system once the system is finally installed and configured. >=20 > There have also been some conversations about sendmail being UNIX's = default MTA and other MTA's being configured around sendmail's = configuration and commands for running it. As someone new to UNIX, this = sounds like an issue that should probably be addressed IMHO. I'm not = complaining about this but it does seem to sound as though FreeBSD and = other Unices are almost prefering sendmail over others. Is it the case = that UNIX doesn't run properly without an installed and configured MTA? = Again, I'm asking because I don't know. >=20 > My suggestion would be that FreeBSD have a standards-based facility = for handling MTA functionality that an installer can configure or elect = not to configure at the time of installation. Often times, a decision = about which MTA to use requires quite a bit more deliberation than can = be demanded of the OS installation procedure. The choice should be given = to delay until such time as the deliberating parties can attend to the = decisioning process. >=20 > What say you? >=20 > Tamir > --- > Valeris: "Why keep it in your quarters?" > Spock: "It is a reminder to me that all things end." >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message