From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 10 12:14:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4623516A41F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:14:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBDF43D48 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:14:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id k0ACHiP66885; Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:17:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "jdow" , Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:14:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <04a601c615ce$4dc4d7b0$1225a8c0@kittycat> Importance: Normal Cc: Subject: RE: Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:14:15 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of jdow >Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:12 AM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: Spamcop listed - need help to diagnose why > >> >> Unfortunately, jdow, since your using this setup, the spammer has >> already successfully delivered the mail to you. The fact that you >> delete the spam before reading makes no difference - the spammer >> doesen't know that and thinks they have successfully delivered it. > >No they have not. They've managed to get it onto my machine, >transiently. >It never got delivered to ME, the organic unit here at this email >address. I know that and your arguing out of your hat - simply pulling statements out of context. You know perfectly well that the "to you" in the sentence was to your machine, the paragraph context told you that. Unfortunately in the spam game, it only matters if the spammer thinks they didn't successfully deliver it to you. And that only happens if the machine delivering the spam gets an error when trying to deliver it, since the spammer isn't using legitimate senders addresses and cannot get feedback any other way. I've never been a fan of post-filters for this reason. For some kinds of filtering - like content filtering for example - that is the only way you can do it. But I think it the height of strangeness when SA checks blacklists and such to assign scores. If they really cared about spamfiltering, they would use the IP blacklists in the way they are intended - to block access completely to the spammer, not even let them connect to the server at all. The mail that SA is assigning scores on based on an IP blacklist shouldn't even be in the SA filter to begin with. >> Denying the spam before it's even accepted into the server is a >> much better way. Unfortunately, a content filter means you have to > >If you can make fetchmail do that you're pretty clever, kemo sabe. > No, but I can replace the Rube Goldberg fetchmail arraingement your using with a real mailserver that is on the Internet all the time and can make use of blacklist servers and such. And yes, I'm just as good at making smart-alecky comments as you are. Probably better at it, actually. Do you want to knock it off and go back to the technical merits discussion now? ;-) Ted