From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 31 05:01:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1F416A4DD for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:01:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony@servacorp.com) Received: from mail14c.g14.rapidsite.net (mail14c.g14.rapidsite.net [128.121.64.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7B9D43D4C for ; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:01:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tony@servacorp.com) Received: from mx19.mlpsca01.us.mxservers.net.64.121.128.in-addr.arpa (128.121.64.139) by mail14c.g14.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.95vs) with SMTP id 4-045058484; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.servacorp.com [204.202.14.242] (HELO LAPTONY) by mx19.mlpsca01.us.mxservers.net (mxl_mta-1.3.8-10p4) with SMTP id 42c66f44.13983.375.mx19.mlpsca01.us.mxservers.net; Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: To: "Andy Ruhl" , "Charles M. Hannum" Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 00:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <78a2305a0608302027y228e1992kb9444bbc67b93fea@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Spam: [F=0.0688487168; heur=0.500(-24700); stat=0.047; spamtraq-heur=0.599(2006083020)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [204.202.14.242] X-Loop-Detect: 1 X-DistLoop-Detect: 1 Cc: misc@openbsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, netbsd-users@netbsd.org Subject: RE: The future of NetBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tony@ServaCorp.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 05:01:27 -0000 Andy Ruhl wrote: > > On 8/30/06, Charles M. Hannum wrote: > > The NetBSD Project has stagnated to the point of irrelevance. It has > > Let me start by saying I'm probably not qualified to reply to this > thread, but I was never worried about making a fool out of myself > before so here goes... > > I am a former user of FreeBSD and occasional user of OpenBSD. Haven't > had much experience with either in the last year or so. > > So... > > Stagnant? Yes. Irrelevance? Possibly. > > But, BUT, can anyone tell me where I can get an OS that I can build > easily from the same place to run on my NEC PDA as well as an old IBM > PowerPC box I just happened to have sitting around and doing nothing > else? And I'm typing this now on an AMD64 box that ran stably long > before FreeBSD did (yes, I tested both). Nobody else can say that. Is > it relevant? It's funny how much more relevant NetBSD's philosophy > becomes as i386 becomes irrelevant. While the others (FreeBSD in > particular) seemed to be scrambling for another architecture, NetBSD > just quietly supported them without any fanfare (IA-64 excluded, but > it's more irrelevant than NetBSD!). > > There are strengths that go right down to the core of the project. > They are still there. They won't ever be irrelevant. They just need to > be built upon. The cleanliness, portability, and ease of use is there. > > So you're probably right. A strong leader is needed to recruit people > to complete new projects and generally keep things relevant. If it's a > people problem, I hope someone can fix it. > > Too bad the guy who used to say "I probably don't know what I'm > talking about" isn't here to comment. > > Andy With a straight line like that, I cannot resist: Seems like somebody is complaining that stability is the same thing as stagnating to the point of irrelevance. A chicken running around sans head is quite active. Not really the same thing as productive. Microsoft Windows goes patch-happy, and the rate for compromised machines goes to five cents each. I don't know what I'm talking about (no probably about it) but there's stuff running around considerably worse.