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From: Terry Lambert <terry@lambert.org>
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Subject: Re: The real issue...
To: davem@jenolan.rutgers.edu (David S. Miller)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:58:19 -0700 (MST)
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> It is in fact dirty pool, because you have decided to keep the soccer
> ball all to yourselves in certain circumstances.  How is this fair?
> And this is precisely what John has stated, that you withold perf
> tools and other similar things which we allow anyone and their
> grandmother to publicly get at.

Actually, John has never stated that his tools are in fact things
which he himself wrote.  For all we know, they could be publically
available microbenchmarks from any number of sources (we know that
Larry's tools are one of his sources).

I will agree that the way John states it implies he has tools you
don't, as opposed to him having tools you don't care about, but
could get.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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