From owner-cvs-all Wed Aug 29 6:33: 6 2001 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (gw.Awfulhak.org [217.204.245.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C3537B401; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [fec0::1:12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f7TDWuA53947; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:32:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f7TDWtf76195; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:32:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200108291332.f7TDWtf76195@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Joshua Goodall Cc: Brian Somers , cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, brian@freebsd-services.com, brian@freebsd-services.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.var.dist src/etc/namedb named.conf In-Reply-To: Message from Joshua Goodall of "Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:11:31 BST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:32:55 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > With my admin hat on, I expect MFC'd new features, not just bugfixes and > > > security patches in -stable. > > > > We have differing opinions. > > We have differing realities. > > Since the releases are rolled as tags on the releng_4 branch, how is 4.x > supposed to progress? The same way that a commercial operating system progresses. Minor releases (or patch kits for most commercial OSs) are not meant to introduce new features unless the market really requires them. Users don't expect to have to fight minor updates, just major updates. > If you really a more conservative branch for some commercial reason, then > I might suggest operating a separate (p4?) repo, importing releng_4_3 and > merging from stable as desired. The license lets you do that, after all. No, -stable *is* that conservative branch IMHO. If I want features I run -current. What you're saying is ludicrous - you expect a commercial user to be versed in what's safe and what's not safe on the -stable branch ? Look at the name: ``stable'', everything should be safe. > No-one should think "make world && shutdown -r now" to be a reliable > update procedure. You forgot buildkernel, installkernel and mergemaster, and I certainly do think that's a reliable update procedure (I've been doing it for years). It's an upgrade procedure that's becoming less reliable though.... But this conversation is moving towards a different thread now. > J -- Brian http://www.freebsd-services.com/ Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message