From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 23 00:58:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCFF416A41F; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:58:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BB443D45; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:58:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (inchoate.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.21]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.5/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jBN0uuWR033158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:26:56 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 11:26:44 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <43A4B91D.8040304@samsco.org> <20051222211730.GK39174@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051222211730.GK39174@svcolo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2057809.76DZ9OFnvS"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200512231126.51500.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -1.36 () ALL_TRUSTED X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.54 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: current , Jo Rhett , stable@freebsd.org, K?vesd?n G?bor , Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:58:24 -0000 --nextPart2057809.76DZ9OFnvS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 07:47, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 06:19:25PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > FreeBSD Update was written by, and is continuously maintained by the > > actual FreeBSD Security Officer. It's as official as it gets. If > > the only barrier to acceptance is that it's not distributed from the > > FreeBSD.org domain, then a) that's a silly argument, and b) it's easily > > solvable so long as Colin agrees. > > But FreeBSD Update suffers from all of the same limitations that I've been > describing because of lack of integration with the Core OS. > > 1. modified kernels are foobar > ..yet are practically mandatory on production systems > > 2. modified sources are foobar > ..yet many common production situations require source compilation > options How do you expect these two to be handled in a binary upgrade? I can't see how it's possible.. I don't think integrating it with the core OS (whatever that means) will=20 magically fix this. > 3. FreeBSD Update can't handle updates of jails and other situations that > package systems deal with just fine. Not having run jails I am not very qualified to comment, however, I don't s= ee=20 why you can't just run freebsd update inside your jail(s). If you mean that= =20 it would be good if you could automatically upgrade a large number of jails= =20 and rebuild link farms etc etc.. well sure that isn't supported, but it is = a=20 very difficult problem to solve (I believe). =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart2057809.76DZ9OFnvS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBDq0tT5ZPcIHs/zowRArtPAJ4vH5OgQm59MXIs+PEl1PbQpQ2vxACfcmV0 /fp/zYIGzpSSJvIhsIdHhns= =mKZ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2057809.76DZ9OFnvS--