From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 10 15: 0:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B1537B400 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (mail3.atl.registeredsite.com [64.224.219.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD76A43E3B for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from webmaster@forsetti.com) Received: from vega.dns-host.com (vega.dns-host.com [209.235.102.38]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6AM0dmZ029969; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:00:39 -0400 Received: from forsetti.com (208.10.252.64.snet.net [64.252.10.208]) by vega.dns-host.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g6AM0aV02421; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D2CAE81.6010706@forsetti.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:00:33 -0400 From: Matt Smith Reply-To: webmaster@forsetti.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Helge Oldach Cc: Mike Jakubik , fred@condo.chico.ca.us, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sshd vs ports sshd References: <200207102123.XAA04329@galaxy.de.cp.philips.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps there are better ways, but here is a "simple" solution to the issue of "apps in the base system" vs. "apps from ports": Install these apps (ssh, sendmail, etc) in the base system as packages. In other words, a basic install would still install these components, but they would be installed in /usr/local/, and would be registered with the pkg db, so they can easily be removed, maintained, upgraded, etc. Also, this may allow for 2 new installation options: "Functional Base" and "Minimal Base", with the only difference being the inclusion of a default set of packages in the "Functional Base". Just my $0.02, -Matt Helge Oldach wrote: > Mike Jakubik: > >>In no way am I saying that curtail services like syslogd or inetd should be >>taken out. But things like openssh, sendmail, certain libs, and basically >>most software that is available and up to date via the ports. > > > No, it shouldn't. I want a full-function system with a decent MTA, a > decent secure login facility, a decent time synchronization facility, a > decent nameserver, and so on. I *don't* want a base system that isn't > good for anything but eating CPU. > > This is not a question of getting the base system "pure" and to adhere > minimalization efforts with a slightly religious attitude, but to have > a base system that people can do something useful with. (Yes, I have > several servers that don't have a single port installed because the base > system just provides all I need.) > > Note that I don't care too much about *which* basic server software is > included in the base system, however I admit that I have chosen FreeBSD > for the reason that it has all the well-known stuff of sendmail, ssh, > xntp and bind on board. > > Helge > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message