From owner-freebsd-gnome@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 15 22:58:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4B116A4CE for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:58:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from april.chuckr.org (april.chuckr.org [66.92.151.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5DA643D2F for ; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:58:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from april.chuckr.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by april.chuckr.org (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j2FN02Zw085731; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:00:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost)j2FN02wp085728; Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:00:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) X-Authentication-Warning: april.chuckr.org: chuckr owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:00:02 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: Jeremy Messenger In-Reply-To: <20050315150624.U84655@april.chuckr.org> Message-ID: <20050315174559.A84655@april.chuckr.org> References: <20050315143826.B84655@april.chuckr.org> <20050315150624.U84655@april.chuckr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: FreeBSD-gnome@freebsd.org Subject: Re: success X-BeenThere: freebsd-gnome@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME for FreeBSD -- porting and maintaining List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:58:40 -0000 On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Chuck Robey wrote: > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Jeremy Messenger wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:45:41 -0500 (EST), Chuck Robey > > wrote: > > > > > but not with the gnome_upgrade, that really never seemed to come close. > > > I > > > used the x11/gone2 port, and a long time compiling. A couple of items I > > > notice, at least at the moment: > > > > > > 1) www/mozilla doesn't build > > > > It won't unless you update freetype2 first. I think, it's fixed in the > > lastest gnome_upgrade.sh script. > > Great. Thanks, I will do that quick as a flash. I have to admit I > forgot, while I was typing, to add in something I know very well: > epi[phasy is based very strongly on mozilla, so anything that breaks > mozilla is likely to break epiphany. I will go update the freetype2 port, > and see, I betch that fixes epiphany. > > BTW, notice ever how screwed up freetype is, as a port? Not the FreeBSD > port, I'm talking abou tthey way someone structured the freetype stuff > itself, what a horrible build, the FreeBSD porter had real guts. Followup. Mozilla now works, epiphany now works. OK, I saw stuff about evolution, and it's giving me the razzberry, so I'll attack that one next. I'm going to here urge you folks that are about to give up, don't, because the new one works if you stay at it. Works very nicely, the porters have done us all a very, very nice job, a real service to the group here. ================================================================= Let me drop off an interesting point, just to bother you. If you guys have listened to my rambling, then you know I went off for a couple years and did the LInux-trip. Like I said before, big waste of my time, EXCEPT for one item, which I will drop off here/now. There's one Linux that looks bsd-ish, and it's got one item about it that's really and truly worth a minute of yor time. The version is called gentoo, they've for a website (whatelse) www.gentoo.org, and they have a REALLY sweet setup for /etc. Now I know we've improved ours here whilst I was wasting my time away, but this is STILL intersting. Besides other things, it's got some very interesting sh coding, and uses a lot of python. They have a really portable setup for adding, subtracting, and listing startup items. Dependencies are really handled elegantly, via the python coding. Python. That's something that we lack, and we shouldn't. Seriously, Python is a bsd-ish type language, that will allow fine style, good algorithms, and code that can be READ as well as written (unlike perl). We ought to consider tossing perl for python. Find anyone who has bothered to learn both, and get an opinion. Don't trust anyone who has only learned one, 'cause you can't know why your choice is the best unless you're bothered to learn the compteition (the rest is dishonesty). Or better yet, if yo have the tine, learn both yourself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, FreeBSD, chuckr@chuckr.org | electronics, communications, and SF/Fantasy. New Year's Resolution: I will not sphroxify gullible people into looking up fictitious words in the dictionary (on the wall at my old fraternity, Signa Phi Nothing). ----------------------------------------------------------------------------